Diesel Price Differance

litton · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:12 pm

Well, it finally happened. Diesel in Tuscon has risen to a differential of $0.70 to $1.00 per gallon higher then UNR and $0.60 to $0.90 more then mid-grade. This now puts driving my CRD equal to or more costly then driving my Jeep GC HEMI. Very sad day, but that doesn't mean I'll park the CRD....still more fun to drive and the mean time between fill-ups is worth the extra cost.

Endurance · **Posted:** Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:02 pm

Diesel is about 0.50 more than premium around here, very sad. When I bought my Jeep 2 years ago Diesel was cheaper than mid grade gas or maybe even RUG, I dont remember. Im planning on buying a new vehicle around this time next year, and if the gas/diesel prices keep going up, which Im sure they will, I am seriously considering the new Jetta TDI. My brother got an 2006 Jetta TDI and that thing is awesome.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:59 am

Endurance wrote:

Diesel is about 0.50 more than premium around here, very sad. When I bought my Jeep 2 years ago Diesel was cheaper than mid grade gas or maybe even RUG, I dont remember. Im planning on buying a new vehicle around this time next year, and if the gas/diesel prices keep going up, which Im sure they will, I am seriously considering the new Jetta TDI. My brother got an 2006 Jetta TDI and that thing is awesome.

What mpg is he getting with his 2006 Jetta?

I’m not trying to get into politics, but I heard Obama say yesterday that there is nothing he (if elected President) can do about fuel prices. Many economic annalists say that diesel prices (fuel prices in general) are here to stay. Some experts are saying that fuel prices will get worse before they get better. Even biofuels are going to be expensive, especially as the big oil companies are buying out most of the bioplants.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

With more and more people in China and India buying cars, fuel will never be as cheap as it was in the 1990's ever again. It may come down a little (the result of speculators finally abandoning fuel commodity trading in favor of the next fad, but it ain't going below 2.50 or 3.00 a gallon). Of course, lots of politicians will run around with magic solutions (drill in ANWR, drill off the California coast, the math challenged 18 cents a gallon summer tax break, etc...)

My opinion has always been "buy the most fuel efficient vehicle that meets your needs. I feel for the poor and working class folks being screwed by this, but I have no sympathy for folks using 12-15 mpg rigs as daily drivers.

The auto industry will be shaken up by all this, big time. Companies that can get quality, high mpg cars to market will do well. Those who can't will die (or get bailed out by taxpayers). Companies that hedged their bets by investing in hybrid technology or building clean diesels to meet the new clean air specs will be winners. Those who did neither are in trouble.

Doesn't bode well for Chrysler.

immadmacs · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:15 am

Unfortunately most of the politicians take a head in the sand position when it comes to energy. The demand from new economies and the weak dollar is inflating fuel prices at a rate we havn't seen since the Carter years. We don't have a comprehensive energy policy. While we sit on our hands, China is drilling off our coast for oil that we refuse to get. Does anyone think the Chinese will care about the environmental impact on U.S. waters? They don't even care about their own environment. How about using the resources that we have instead of relying on other countries? What about nuclear (France uses the heck out of it)? I bought my diesel to have an suv with good mileage. Am I supposed to haul my kayak to a remote sight on a prius? Diesel was less than gas when I got my Jeep (it fluctuated a little). Now, holy cow, 60 cents a gallon difference!!??? It doesn't help that the federal tax is 10 cents more per gallon than gas. Sorry for the rant, but I finally got the vehicle I want and the fuel price has about doubled since I bought it. I don't want to go back to a wimpy commuter car!

cferrell536 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:35 am **Posts:** 11

My daily driver is a 03 Golf TDI. With auto, I get about 43-45 mpg. My daughter drives a 5 speed that will get 50 mpg easy. My wife drives the CRD. At 27 mpg or so, it is the lowest rated of the bunch.

So far, I'm happy with it, she likes it too because of the higher seating. She hates driving my VW, feels like she is getting bullied on the road.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:36 am

cferrell536 wrote:

My daily driver is a 03 Golf TDI. With auto, I get about 43-45 mpg. My daughter drives a 5 speed that will get 50 mpg easy. My wife drives the CRD. At 27 mpg or so, it is the lowest rated of the bunch.

So far, I'm happy with it, she likes it too because of the higher seating. She hates driving my VW, feels like she is getting bullied on the road.

While balancing my travel trailer on the CAT scale the other day, I weighed the CRD by itself with no passengers and a full tank of fuel. It weighed in at 4380lbs. So, I guess the fuel economy is not bad given the weight, the aerodynamics, and the fact that it's got a bunch of 4WD drivetrain that's always rolling. Heck, my 2005 Toyota Tundra regular cab with an 8' bed weighs exactly 40lbs more.

- Chris

MOSFET · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:40 pm **Posts:** 295

Fuel prices will stay high for the foreseable future. The reasons for this may include higher foreign demand, falling dollar, commodity trading of fuel and other reasons.

This country (USA) could use a long term energy plan. The real solution (and there is no quick fix) is through energy diversity. We really need to get our energy from many sources, which include, but are not limited to, coal, natural gas, nuclear, wind and solar.

Coal - We have more coal domestically than any other country.

Natural gas - Great clean fuel, but Russia and Iran have the largest supplies. Accordingly, it does come with some risk.

Nuclear - Works for France. If we could re-process spent fuel (not waste), then this could have a huge impact in replacing coal for baseload generation. Baseload generation is always on, every hour, every day, every week, every month, all year.

Wind - Great domestic source of power, but not a baseload source due to intermittant nature of wind. Great for reducing baseload demand.

Solar - Great domestic source of power, but not entirely ready for wide market use yet. But it is up and coming. Not good for baseload generation.

No fuel is perfect. But by wisely combining all of them, we can greatly reduce our dependence on foreign fuel sources. There is no magic bullet, no one ideal fuel source.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:57 pm

litton wrote:

Well, it finally happened. Diesel in Tuscon has risen to a differential of $0.70 to $1.00 per gallon higher then UNR and $0.60 to $0.90 more then mid-grade. This now puts driving my CRD equal to or more costly then driving my Jeep GC HEMI. Very sad day, but that doesn't mean I'll park the CRD....still more fun to drive and the mean time between fill-ups is worth the extra cost.

Seriously? Last time I checked...the Hemis were good for 14 mpg on a good day. My wife's 3.7L averages 16-17 mpg...and at that the CRD still saved money with diesel .80 cents higher. Not sure how driving the Hemi could be the same price as driving the CRD....

MOSFET · **Joined:** Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:40 pm **Posts:** 295

Local fuel prices in the Albany, NY area:

RUG - $3.59

Diesel - $4.49

That works out to about a 25% price differential.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:41 pm

MOSFET wrote:

Local fuel prices in the Albany, NY area:

RUG - $3.59

Diesel - $4.49

That works out to about a 25% price differential.

So your still 5% in the plus.......

litton · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:18 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

litton wrote:

Well, it finally happened. Diesel in Tuscon has risen to a differential of $0.70 to $1.00 per gallon higher then UNR and $0.60 to $0.90 more then mid-grade. This now puts driving my CRD equal to or more costly then driving my Jeep GC HEMI. Very sad day, but that doesn't mean I'll park the CRD....still more fun to drive and the mean time between fill-ups is worth the extra cost.

Seriously? Last time I checked...the Hemis were good for 14 mpg on a good day. My wife's 3.7L averages 16-17 mpg...and at that the CRD still saved money with diesel .80 cents higher. Not sure how driving the Hemi could be the same price as driving the CRD....

My GC is good for about 17-18 Hwy and 14-15 for typical use and can use ULR. The CRD will pull 26 hwy and 23 for typical us. Well, maybe it's closer to breakeven then I first thought. Still discourging though that the defferance is so high and getting worse.

hatchetman · **Posted:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:04 pm

Threw in the towel today and bought a gasser! A 2008 Hyundai Elantra SE 5 speed, only thing it doesn't have is leather and a sunroof. $14,873 out the door. They even filled up the tank. Need a daily driver since the Passat dropped a valve, head needs rebuit and a new piston. Don't have the time or desire to fix it at this time. Anyone in the market for a 96 Passat TDi with a decent body needing engine repair? :evil:

vtdog · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:27 am **Posts:** 640

Difference between diesel and rug is shinking here. Rug was 3.39 and diesel 4.25. This is the first time the spread has been less than one dollar or more in a long time. Now that heating season is over I suspect the prices will even out and maybe (I hope) diesel will again be cheaper for a while

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

There are two different things here:

1. Differential between diesel and gas.

2. High fuel prices in general.

The first was the subject of this thread..

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:58 am

Pablo wrote:

There are two different things here:

1. Differential between diesel and gas.

2. High fuel prices in general.

The first was the subject of this thread..

Oh, I sent your $$$$$, hopefully it arrived.......

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

My wife absolutely loves her 06 Jetta TDI, but today after filling up she actually remarked that she wish she'd bought a Prius. She's been doing mostly in-town driving lately, averaging 30 mpg.

Noteworthy because two years ago she said the Prius was butt-ugly and wanted nothing to do with it.

Unless diesel prices come down significantly, this does not bode well for sales of the new Bluetec TDI's and midsize diesel pickups from Dodge, Ford, and GM. The hybrid vs. diesel question may be settled by oil prices, rather than performance.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:00 am

diesel here between €5.26 and €5.81
petrol 9 cents cheaper

BVCRD · **Posted:** Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:38 am

litton wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

litton wrote:

Well, it finally happened. Diesel in Tuscon has risen to a differential of $0.70 to $1.00 per gallon higher then UNR and $0.60 to $0.90 more then mid-grade. This now puts driving my CRD equal to or more costly then driving my Jeep GC HEMI. Very sad day, but that doesn't mean I'll park the CRD....still more fun to drive and the mean time between fill-ups is worth the extra cost.

Seriously? Last time I checked...the Hemis were good for 14 mpg on a good day. My wife's 3.7L averages 16-17 mpg...and at that the CRD still saved money with diesel .80 cents higher. Not sure how driving the Hemi could be the same price as driving the CRD....

My GC is good for about 17-18 Hwy and 14-15 for typical use and can use ULR. The CRD will pull 26 hwy and 23 for typical us. Well, maybe it's closer to breakeven then I first thought. Still discourging though that the defferance is so high and getting worse.

My Mustang GT gets 27-30 highway at cheaper gas prices than diesel. That is the way we are going right now, but can't get the GT up to ghost towns.

Anomious · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:01 pm

Hi!! My CRD was a lot of fun. Then diesel went up to $4.30.
I traded it for a VW, R32.
It's #2082 out of 5000 made for the USA.
It has neck snapping aceleration and is electronically
limited to 155 MPH. Hi-test is $3.75/gal!

I do miss my Libby
Larry K.

Diesel Price Differance

Who is online