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Hey Joe, have you posted any measurements? Ground to fender flares and center of wheel to flares? I'd like to compare overall ride height and suspension gains.

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Looks Good Joe!

Good Luck with it.

My original test mule (must have over 100K on it now), ran with 295R75's AT's on the road, and 285R75's MTR's on the trail. It has 4.10 gears and a true trac up front and the lock-rite in the rear. My front dif had a custom machined alum collar welded to the dif, and I had plates welded to the area that normally cracked. I did some wild things with the KJ, and it held up. Just try to keep you foot off the skinny pedal, limit wheel spin on hard surfaces (rock), so that when the wheel catches it will not shock the system. This impact shock breaks things.

Nice seeing you again Joe, and good luck!

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I am no kind of engineer, but I will say again that I think that the TrueTrac might actually make the D30a live longer as, when the free wheel is spinning, it is already re-routing power to the wheel on the ground.

I think "conventional wisdom" on gear ratios may not be correct all of the time. Many vehicles were made with less HP than a KJ yet axle ratios in the 2.70-range. Most of the mid-80's & up Grand Wagoneers had 2.71's in the axles. You just have to accept the downside, such as running in a lower gear to cruise on the highway. Most tranny's from that area had a 1:1 top gear instead of .75 or whatever. Running in 3rd would still probably get you around 1:1.

Lower gears on the tiny D30a ring gear would just seem to make them weaker.

Also, remember that your tranny enters into it. I'll bet that either the 5-spd or especially the 6-spd would be able to live with 32-33" tires and 3.73-4.10 gears easier than the auto.

In my Cherokee, I run 285/75/r16 tires with 3.54 gears and it actually made the jeep more usable over-all. It cruises on the road in fourth better and the crawl ratio is still right at 48:1. My first gear is 6.32, though, but it really helped the 1:1 4th gear ratio out on the road. In many cases, you gotta give some to get some, and accepting some downsides might just be what is needed for most of the lifted KJ's. For many, the equipment & mods they post are for bragging rights, not what is actually needed. Look how many post about the $$$ spent on electronics, chrome goodies, high-end lights, and things of that sort with no mention of traction adders but the still talk about the goal being off-road performance. I'll take an ugly POS that kicks butt off-road anyday because, at least around here, off-roading means trail-rash or at least pinstripes. Chrome don't get ya home. If you did both, great. I honestly envy you.

Most of us worry about mods based more on what we read than what we need, without considering that what TJKJ does with his jeep and what I will do with mine are not in the same ball park, no matter how badly I want it to be. In many cases, spending your money on a true-trac, a detroit, 4.10s and a readily available lift with 235/85's or 245/75's would get us further along most trails then spending even more coin on a bigger lift to get 1/2" more real-world tire height out of a 285/75 on a KJ.

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think "conventional wisdom" on gear ratios may not be correct all of the time. Many vehicles were made with less HP than a KJ yet axle ratios in the 2.70-range. Most of the mid-80's & up Grand Wagoneers had 2.71's in the axles. You just have to accept the downside, such as running in a lower gear to cruise on the highway. Most tranny's from that area had a 1:1 top gear instead of .75 or whatever. Running in 3rd would still probably get you around 1:1.
That was more manual tranny Wagoneers only with the 6.35:1 1st gear ratio.Having a V-8 will allow higher gear ratios,more low end torque,the same goes for the 4.0 I-6 Jeep engine,more low end torque then the 3.7 V-6 makes.That's why you need lower gear ratio's(and makes a world of difference) with the 3.7 since you need to keep the RPM's up in the powerband.I have seen Toyota pickups turning 44"+ tires with the 4 banger engine,but run a very low gear ratio in the axles to do so.

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In my Cherokee, I run 285/75/r16 tires with 3.54 gears and it actually made the jeep more usable over-all. It cruises on the road in fourth better and the crawl ratio is still right at 48:1.
My 1st vehicle was a '79 Grand Wagoneer,it had a 360 V-8,and 3.54 gears in the F/R D44 axles stock.It had plenty of power,even better power after I put in a mildly built 304 V-8.

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Most of us worry about mods based more on what we read than what we need, without considering that what TJKJ does with his jeep and what I will do with mine are not in the same ball park, no matter how badly I want it to be. In many cases, spending your money on a true-trac, a detroit, 4.10s and a readily available lift with 235/85's or 245/75's would get us further along most trails then spending even more coin on a bigger lift to get 1/2" more real-world tire height out of a 285/75 on a KJ.
Yes I wheel my KJ a little harder then most,but my KJ is also my DD driver and here in CO 4.10's and 32" tires with the 3.7 V-6 is not enough to be anywhere close to the factory powerband,sure I'm sitting at 5500lbs and that has alot to do with it also but it still doesn't change the fact that I need lower gears,which I can't get so bye-bye D30A and 8.25.My Kj is like trying to climb a 12% grade in a single speed Huffy bike :evil: .


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I wish I had your rig, your 'wheeling opportunities, & your need for further mods. You have put yourself in a very enviable position with your work and ability. I respect the crap out of that. But where I am, I just do not have the same needs, so I can get by with less then you have now where you need even more than you have now. I am not the only one in this position. But if you want to swap rigs, locations, etc... give me a yell.... :D

I do like my t18a tranny.... :)

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I wish I had your rig, your 'wheeling opportunities, & your need for further mods. You have put yourself in a very enviable position with your work and ability. I respect the crap out of that. But where I am, I just do not have the same needs, so I can get by with less then you have now where you need even more than you have now. I am not the only one in this position. But if you want to swap rigs, locations, etc... give me a yell.... :D

I do like my t18a tranny.... :)
I tell you I do really miss my Wagoneer,and yes I agree it really depends on the terrian what you really need.I can also tell you that starting out a 6000' just sucks without those lower gears :evil: .


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Took pics today next to stock KJ as requested!
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holy crap that's a huge lift!!! i wish i had that kinda money to throw at my kj!


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Joe Jeeper wrote:
Took pics today next to stock KJ as requested!
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That is beautiful... I can't wait till the end of the month when I put mine up on blocks and tear it apart for the same thing!

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Here's a few pic's of ride!
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Good stuff joe! how close is the stock driveline to being too short in the rear? With 6" its amazing that the stock driveline still works.

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Besides the K-frame blocks there are trans cross member blocks in rhw kit so the pitch is about the same as was with the 4" lift.

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Thanks again, I'm going to have fun next month getting dirty... hopefuly marty gets my rear bumper done in time too so I can have another thing to do!

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Here's a link to the video on the trail ride!

http://www.fullflexoffroad.com/ffoweb/i ... link&id=49

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Nice vid Joe, looks like it's working well for you.

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Thanks guys, so far so good!

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Pardon my ignorance, but how much ground clearance is gained with this kit? I am looking at the pics and it looks like stuff is spaced downward. I can see how this kit would allow a 33" tire, but what gain in ground clearance does the kit itself get over stock? Or more to the point, my Franky II?
Also, I am a bit cloudy on how this kit adadts itself to the CRD. I can see there is an $85 upcharge for the CRD.

Since I have moved to FL, my needs have changed. I have 32" tires and the FL II lift and I sink into the muck and get hi-centered. My set up was great for the Rockies, but I am the party-pooper here in FL. I am looking to maximize ground clearance and SFA is outta the question.

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Pardon my ignorance, but how much ground clearance is gained with this kit? I am looking at the pics and it looks like stuff is spaced downward. I can see how this kit would allow a 33" tire, but what gain in ground clearance does the kit itself get over stock? Or more to the point, my Franky II?
Also, I am a bit cloudy on how this kit adadts itself to the CRD. I can see there is an $85 upcharge for the CRD.

Since I have moved to FL, my needs have changed. I have 32" tires and the FL II lift and I sink into the muck and get hi-centered. My set up was great for the Rockies, but I am the party-pooper here in FL. I am looking to maximize ground clearance and SFA is outta the question.


Technically, due to the rear dif, you only gain ground clearance from bigger tires.

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JL Rockies wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but how much ground clearance is gained with this kit? I am looking at the pics and it looks like stuff is spaced downward. I can see how this kit would allow a 33" tire, but what gain in ground clearance does the kit itself get over stock? Or more to the point, my Franky II?
Also, I am a bit cloudy on how this kit adadts itself to the CRD. I can see there is an $85 upcharge for the CRD.

Since I have moved to FL, my needs have changed. I have 32" tires and the FL II lift and I sink into the muck and get hi-centered. My set up was great for the Rockies, but I am the party-pooper here in FL. I am looking to maximize ground clearance and SFA is outta the question.


Technically, due to the rear dif, you only gain ground clearance from bigger tires.
Yep that's right,only on a 4 wheel independant suspension will you gain ground clearence from a lift.Any vehicle with at least one solid axle(like the KJ) will only gain clearance from larger tires,sure you gain some break over clearance but you still have that low slung rear pumkin.


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