Diesel Price Differance

vtdog · **Joined:** Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:27 am **Posts:** 640

The spread here has dropped to about 22% which is in line with the levels of a year ago. Although both fuel costs are ridiculous and it "seems" even crazier than it is I am still better off than a gas 4wd. It is cheaper now to run my 4 cyl gas powered Nissan pickup so I drive that more, but I am not crazy enough to get rid of the CRD (yet). If I had no use for an SUV that would be a different story.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:44 pm

In this area diesel is actually coming down a little and gasoline is going up every day. The difference is now about $.55 and here that works out to 15% more for diesel and since I'm getting 30 to 40% more MPG I'm still ahead :lol:

dirtmover · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 8:35 am

Wow, these differences are huge. Up here we're paying:

RUG 1.21/l
Diesel 1.29/l

Of course, the difference is that, we're getting screwed over on both :cry:

retmil46 · **Posted:** Thu May 01, 2008 12:54 pm

A good bit of the reason for the historically elevated price of diesel is that currently we're EXPORTING much of our domestically produced diesel, both #2 and bio, to Europe and other areas where there's a higher demand for it (and where it can also fetch a higher price). That's part of the reason distillate stocks are staying static or declining.

At the same time, Europe is dumping their excess gasoline inventory on our market, driving up gasoline inventories and effectively depressing the price, cutting into our domestic refineries profit margins - that's part of the reason why the refineries have been throttled back to 80% capacity for most of this year, yet gasoline inventories continued to go up week after week.

Now that we've switched to ULSD, our domestically produced diesel is of high enough quality to be used in Europe and other areas, so they're buying up our domestic production to meet the needs of their markets.

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

Wow.. that's really shocking. 30MPG in a 2006? It has to be a DSG....

I have a 2006 Manual. I've been toying with selling it and have had a few DSG owners call me and say I was lying on the 49MPG advertised. I'm not. I hve at least 6 trips -- including Austin, TX to Raleigh, NC and back -- where it achieved 730 to 760 miles on a single tank of fuel. I drive 3 to 4 times per year 732 miles door to door to my parents in Memphis, TN from Raleigh... on a single tank... actually I tend to have fuel to spare. The System reads 0 miles left, but I get 50 to 100 miles (depending on highway or city) after it says I'm totally out of fuel on the display (not all TDIs have this, it's akin to the EVIC system).

I know a guy with a no-sunroof 2006 DSG who gets about 48mpg higwhay and 40-41 in city. I average 40 to 42 city. He says he never gets less than 625 to the light, and on a normal week of driving for me the light comes on around 490-505 miles.... still not bad for something that takes a little over 15 gallons if you run it dry (which I did coming back from texas... hence how I know I can go 100 miles beyond that 0 mile notice, on pure biodiesel no less, which supposedly has a lower BTU content and thus reduced mileage).

Anyone with a TDI that isn't seeing a minimum of 42 combined... you might wanna change your filters and have the car checked out. That's just not normal. I have 52,000 on mine... I was seeing this economy at least at 30k miles...

Anything under 30k is likely not broken in. Go get it up to 90 on the highway a few times and change the oil.

If you compare a 2006 Jetta TDI and a 2006 Prius the Prius for $2k less has a lot less options: heated seats, sunroof, the first two that come to mind. I enjoy and use those two items a lot with my car, and that was one of the deciding factors in keeping it. My back isn't that great anymore, starts of fusion in the lower end due to a rear end about 10 years ago. The old mercedes is economical (84 190D) but the seats kill me. I'd rather stay under a note for a car and reduce the doctor and chiropractor bills than spend a few thousand on my back to save a few bucks on transportation...

Anyway, I love all diesels equal. I was worried about our CRD at first but he's turned out to be a good lil Jeep. Those with modern TDIs... you should be checking into whats going on. Now I will say, I shift at 2200rpm in city, always. I never have the car over 2200rpm for basically any reason other than to tick off a Nissan owner or to charge past a Prius up one of our many hills. Agressive driving I will get 38-40, driving it conservative (and with the 240ft lb torque my modifeid TDI is making to the wheels even a 2200rpm shift gets the car flying up on the bumper of whatever is in front of you) gets me the more pre-2005.5 economy of 42 city and 49 highway.

Also, take out the spare tire. That saves on weight. Do a mufflerectomy - basically just cut the darn thing out. That saves a hundred pounds right there, and opens it up a lot.

I've not modified the muffler, but I'm going to do that likely this weekend.

OH and manual owner... spend the $$ for a Valeo clutch kit. The Sachs kit with Dual mass flywheel is a POS, mine died at 30k miles... no warranty coverage (there is a TSB out for this now). The Single Mass FLywheel is easier to engage and it has given me about a 6% increase in city economy (highway didn't seem to change too much).

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 10:59 am

Oil hits record above $121

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 11:04 am

Our economy is being DIRECTLY affected by the diesel fuel and gasoline prices. It's going to get to a point where more trucking companies are going to go under, and more owner-operators are going to hang up their hats. When the trucks stop, our economy stops. The Feds are going to have to make some wise decisions to keep things afloat if diesel keeps going up up up. Scary times ahead for the first time in my life...

kelticknight · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 11:21 am

its gone to 1.35 a litre here for diesel

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 1:17 pm

.....due to excessive fuel prices speculators will get out of the market and oil prices will drop. When the price of oil drops $25 a barrel, speculators will loose their a$$e$ if they even live to talk about it.
I can't see that soon enough.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 1:23 pm

over here,they dont expect prices to drop much if any at diesel at over 6 euros a gallon,few stations will be selling bio diesel here, but wont be much cheaper here

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

kcfoxie wrote:

Wow.. that's really shocking. 30MPG in a 2006? It has to be a DSG....

It is a DSG, only has about 15k on it.

I find different people define "city" driving in different ways. Her commute to and from work is about 3 miles and contains 10 stop lights. She's lucky to break 30 mph. Two days a week she drives to class for her MBA program... 10 miles, 20 stop lights, top speed of 40 mph. The new body style Jetta is just too heavy to get very good mileage with that kind of driving... too much mass to accelerate with stop and go.

On weekends when we drive it on road trips, it has been averaging 42-44 mpg.

Personally, I think that is spectacular performance for a car the size of the new Jetta's. The Prius is a neat piece of technology, and I find it roomy enough, but it is constructed and equiped like an economy car (I guess Toyota really wants you to spring $$ for a Lexus hybrid if you want heated seats). I tell her to remember that even on its worst day in the city, the Jetta TDI is getting better mileage than my Jeep tractor does on its best day on the highway.

Besides, on a 3 mile commute she should stop whining about the rain and ride her bike anyway. :roll:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

LibertyCRD wrote:

Our economy is being DIRECTLY affected by the diesel fuel and gasoline prices. It's going to get to a point where more trucking companies are going to go under, and more owner-operators are going to hang up their hats. When the trucks stop, our economy stops. The Feds are going to have to make some wise decisions to keep things afloat if diesel keeps going up up up. Scary times ahead for the first time in my life...

I feel for the truckers, but trucking isn't the only way to move freight. In Europe and Japan rail is the dominant system, and up until the 1970's and 80's it was the same in the US. Rail transport is a lot more fuel efficient.

On the other hand, it employs at lot less people, and over the last 30 years we've allowed our rail system to rot into disrepair.

kelticknight · **Posted:** Tue May 06, 2008 6:11 pm

60% of everything here is moved by railway,rest by freight

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

Threeweight wrote:

kcfoxie wrote:

Wow.. that's really shocking. 30MPG in a 2006? It has to be a DSG....

It is a DSG, only has about 15k on it.

I find different people define "city" driving in different ways. Her commute to and from work is about 3 miles and contains 10 stop lights. She's lucky to break 30 mph. Two days a week she drives to class for her MBA program... 10 miles, 20 stop lights, top speed of 40 mph. The new body style Jetta is just too heavy to get very good mileage with that kind of driving... too much mass to accelerate with stop and go.

On weekends when we drive it on road trips, it has been averaging 42-44 mpg.

Personally, I think that is spectacular performance for a car the size of the new Jetta's. The Prius is a neat piece of technology, and I find it roomy enough, but it is constructed and equiped like an economy car (I guess Toyota really wants you to spring $$ for a Lexus hybrid if you want heated seats). I tell her to remember that even on its worst day in the city, the Jetta TDI is getting better mileage than my Jeep tractor does on its best day on the highway.

Besides, on a 3 mile commute she should stop whining about the rain and ride her bike anyway. :roll:

All very good points. It's still surprising that it's like that. I guess I'm the type to try and find the time of day to which I can leave and hit half the lights at green, stop once, and catch the rest on green as they are changing from red. I'm like that.

The last tank, which my 46mi-round trip drive consists of about 14 mi highway and 45mph zones the rest of the time i'm not on the highway (and I run 55 on the highway, not 65), my light came on at 523.3 miles. I'll fill it up today, but I could wait until friday. It estimates another 45mi, which means I have at least double that remaining. My computer has never been very accurate, it's quite conservative.

I also never got that. Prius has no sunroof, heated seats, it is an expensive economy car. Compared to my Jetta, similar price tag (2k difference I think) but comes with sunroof and usually heated seats, it's hard to say the Prius is better in terms of comfort.

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striperman36 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:46 am

switchin to b99 its been stable at 3.20 a gall. companies been in business for a while supplies alot of fleets with product.

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:26 pm

Drill baby drill.... UT is about to be center stage... stay tuned if National Avg RUG hits over $5.00.

bhc04 · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:59 pm

Today here in Bullhead City, AZ.

Regular 87 octane: $3.45 per gal.
Premium 91 oct. 3.65
Diesel 3.75

irollgen4s · **Posted:** Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:20 pm

3.99 a gallon at the cheapest diesel station i can find within reasonable difference, 4.20 at the same company in the middle of town where no trucks go. don't have any reg gas prices. this is on LI by the way.

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