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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:08 pm 
I do about $50-60 a week in the KJ. Now that it's startin to clear up a little...I'll be riding the bike more. Ah yes, the sound of that 8 valve 4 popper at 10,000 rpm, the rattle of the three decade old timing chain, the 60 mpg:D

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:16 pm 
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Gas prices haven't effected me that much,I still only put in $20-$22(4-5 gallons) a week in premium gas in every sunday,right after I wash my KJ(it's a weekly ritual).Sure it sucks but It still won't make me drive less.I'll be uping my gas usage as soon as the trails open up here in CO,but I figure $50-$60 per wheeling trip,sometimes the drive is up to 2 hours one way to the trail.


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I pick BP to boycot. They are trying to add on to their plant here in my area and by doing so, they will dump more industrial waste in to Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan, not only being one of our Great Lakes, but also the drink water source for lots of cities that border it.

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I think if you dig a little deeper you will find that Valero, although incorperated here, is in fact a shell corp for Chavez.

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 Post subject: Re: Dont buy gas on May 15th
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:55 am 
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Do what you wish I have already spent my 50 for the week! :twisted:


I wish that's all i spent on gas! I'm at a minimum of $120 per week!! :twisted:


I have my office at home and have a government vehicle to drive on the job. But come the weekend I am off, with almost every weekend being a 550/600 mile trip to Southeastern Ohio, that will slow down some when my wife moves back home from teaching for the summer but still have family that I go see down there. So I run through 2 tanks or so every weekend easy!

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Ouch.

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well, did it work? has the price of gas dropped a penny today? didn't think so! :shock:

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I think if you dig a little deeper you will find that Valero, although incorperated here, is in fact a shell corp for Chavez.


Nope - it's on the exchange - you can click on major holders - most are mutual funds
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=VLO

They run 17 refinery's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valero_Energy_Corporation


Chavez is Citgo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo
They're not on the exchange - because they're owned by Petróleos de Venezuela

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I admit that I am wrong. This was a murky subject for me. A few minutes of googling shows posts, articles, etc...stating both that Valero = Chavez and the opposite. Snopes has nothing on it.

I do not accept Wiki at face value for anything. I have seen things in it proven wrong. People go to it like its the gospel when all it takes is a committed group pushing an agenda or another side not giving enough of a crap to challenge an entry.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives ... go_ve.html. I have found several like that & I think the confusion does stem from Citgo stations morphing into Valero stations, the large purchase of Citgo holdings by Valero, Valero sounding Latino, and Chavez's top associate being named Valero. I am still unsure if Valero gets a majority of its crude from Venezuela & that aided the rumors.

I had read more than once that Valero was a shell used to replace Citgo. But your post from Yahoo is convicing regardless of what wiki says.

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Wiki is a nice reference - but it tends to be an opinion poll
http://gizmodo.com/387555/the-shirt-that-sums-up-wikipedia

I just remembered how surprised I was about Citgo

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