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Trans fat was invented to be a bio-candle wax. A poor man's way to detect trans fat is by the melting temperature (above 98.6f). If you don't want to do a bunch of scientific testing, this field test will work good enough.
Eat some Sonic French Fries, if you have a greasy taste in your mouth that requires soda pop to get rid of it, you have trans fat. If Iced Tea or fruit juice does the trick, you got veggie oil. The good news is that trans fat is being phased out of our food supply. I have noticed Burger King fries pass the trans fat free field test to back up their advertising. McDonald's is still spotty.

Due to the higher melting point, trans fat based biodiesel would have a higher cloud point than regular biodiesel made from normal cooking oil.

Most Trans fat consumed by humans goes through us and gunks up sewer lines as the thiner vegetable oils and animal fat rinses out of the trans fat infested grease. When storms hit, the chunks break off and they float on top of the sewage stream providing a nuisance to say the least. Any metal that comes in contact with trans fat has to be ground off before welding or the carbon will weaken the weld and it will often fail.
With this in mind, don't cheat the decanting part of your process, you don't want that trans fat junk in you filter.

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Thanks Steve, great info.! So, am I looking for grease that comes in a liquid state only?

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Ahhh, I collect from a local pizza chain (use it for fries, chicken, ribs, etc) and their oil comes in 5gal containers (carboard box with plastic jug inside that looks like plastic from a milk carton). It says 'liquid shortening' too on some of them, but if I check it when it's in the 30's most of it is still liquid. I let it settle for a few weeks, pour off and use the liquid, and toss the sludge.

Should be fine if that's what you're using.

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Thanks.............. I'll have to check into it more. At one point during our conversation he did refer to his grease as liquid shortening..........but that might be due to the fact that the hard shortening was heated and poured into the containers. I have lots to learn and not enough time.

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Ahhh, I collect from a local pizza chain (use it for fries, chicken, ribs, etc) and their oil comes in 5gal containers (carboard box with plastic jug inside that looks like plastic from a milk carton). It says 'liquid shortening' too on some of them, but if I check it when it's in the 30's most of it is still liquid. I let it settle for a few weeks, pour off and use the liquid, and toss the sludge.

Should be fine if that's what you're using.

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Thanks.............. I'll have to check into it more. At one point during our conversation he did refer to his grease as liquid shortening..........but that might be due to the fact that the hard shortening was heated and poured into the containers. I have lots to learn and not enough time.


I will be using the BioPro processer, not sure if that makes a difference or not. I will be going to check out the BioPro here in about a 4 weeks and take a few classes.

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msilbernagel wrote:
Ahhh, I collect from a local pizza chain (use it for fries, chicken, ribs, etc) and their oil comes in 5gal containers (carboard box with plastic jug inside that looks like plastic from a milk carton). It says 'liquid shortening' too on some of them, but if I check it when it's in the 30's most of it is still liquid. I let it settle for a few weeks, pour off and use the liquid, and toss the sludge.

Should be fine if that's what you're using.

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Thanks.............. I'll have to check into it more. At one point during our conversation he did refer to his grease as liquid shortening..........but that might be due to the fact that the hard shortening was heated and poured into the containers. I have lots to learn and not enough time.


Yes, I agree with this. Regardless of the labelling, if it's liquid at 50F to 60F, it should be fine for biodiesel that flows down to the high 30sF.

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Okay, I went to Sonic and checked out the grease. The oil comes in the containers in a liquid form and labeled “vegetable oil.” Believe it or not, but the Sonic owner is really excited about me using his oil to make biodiesel. As a matter of fact, he’s planning to use a 12 micron filter to pour the grease through before he stores it for me. I will be going around and collecting the oil and start stock piling it.

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Do the trans fat field test?

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 Post subject: Re: How are the fries?
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Do the trans fat field test?


It passed the trans fat test, the Sonic owner says that he chooses to buy the more expensive (more quiality) cooking oil.

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I agree with all of the above comments.

I just have to rant a little; I have been in the restaurant business for 27 years and it really bugs me when people refer to oil or shortening as "grease". I know it shouldn't because it has just become a generic term, but grease is what cooks off of meat. Shortening contains more saturated fat than oil (a good thing for cakes, biscuits and other applications). Lard is almost all saturated fat and is completely solid at room temperature (it is pure animal fat). Oil has more unsaturated fat and is liquid at room temperature (good for making salad dressing, etc). The lower the content of saturated fat, the lower the temperature that any given fat will remain in a liquid state. So liquid shortening usually contains partially hydrogenated oils (which contain saturated fat. Palm and coconut are the most common) to varying degrees depending on the application that it is intended for. Besides the obvious health benefits, the more liquid state your shortening/oil is in, the less energy it takes to get it to frying temperature (saving money on gas/electricity). Shortening will last longer in a fryer than straight oil will which lowers overall food costs. Years ago we used something called AV shortening to cook french fries in. It was a combination of lard and oil. Let me tell you the fries cooked in that stuff were tasty! Not very healthy, but tasty none the less (isn't that the way with everything :lol: ).

You can actually make biodiesel out of lard, but you have to do the two step acid base esterification to get it to work (if I understand correctly). Even then the yield is low and clouding is a big issue. Stick with the best stuff you can get your hands on. I wonder what kind of a number titration of the Sonic oil will give. The BioPro will handle it fine in any case. The acid esterification step is designed to lower the FFA (Free Fatty Acids which hydrogenated oil has more of) in the feedstock. So you should be fine. How long the owner uses his oil before chucking it will make the biggest difference of all. I would see if he would be willing to cool it after filtering and put it back in the containers that it comes in. It is way easier to handle that way. and the containers are recyclable anywhere that they take milk jugs (same plastic).

Okay that's enough ranting :oops: If you have read this far. . . I apologize for being long winded.

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Okay, I went to Sonic and checked out the grease. The oil comes in the containers in a liquid form and labeled “vegetable oil.” Believe it or not, but the Sonic owner is really excited about me using his oil to make biodiesel. As a matter of fact, he’s planning to use a 12 micron filter to pour the grease through before he stores it for me. I will be going around and collecting the oil and start stock piling it.
He may regret his filtering attempt. Vegetable oil is tough to filter, especially to that level. He will not want to take the time, and for making biodiesel, it is not necessary.

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The source I have filters the oil while it's still hot... so if the temp is high enough, they may do ok. As I recall, at about 160F it's similar to diesel's viscosity.

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Okay, I went to Sonic and checked out the grease. The oil comes in the containers in a liquid form and labeled “vegetable oil.” Believe it or not, but the Sonic owner is really excited about me using his oil to make biodiesel. As a matter of fact, he’s planning to use a 12 micron filter to pour the grease through before he stores it for me. I will be going around and collecting the oil and start stock piling it.
He may regret his filtering attempt. Vegetable oil is tough to filter, especially to that level. He will not want to take the time, and for making biodiesel, it is not necessary.

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The source I have filters the oil while it's still hot... so if the temp is high enough, they may do ok. As I recall, at about 160F it's similar to diesel's viscosity.

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That's hot enough to hurt. And it sounds like a lot of work. Not that I would mind if my oil was prefiltered, but again, unnecessary for making biodiesel. All I do is pour mine through a window screen before processing. My filtering is done on finished fuel, where it pours right through a 1 micron sock.

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I never filter any of my oil before making BD except for straining out the frys and cockroaches. Nearly all of the particles will come out with the glycerin. Filtering the final product through 1 micron sock filters is vastly easer than raw oil through a 100 micron filter.

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Heat definitely makes a difference. As part of fryer oil maintenance all restaurants filter their oil at least daily and in high volume locations they may do it 3 or 4 times a day. All modern fryers are set up with a dump bin below the fryer vat and a pump system that pulls the oil back into the vat after passing through some sort of filter medium. Safety is a big factor and is addressed in a bunch of ways these days. I have seen some horrific oil burns in my time :cry:. The system is also designed to attach a hose or pipe to pump the oil into some sort of container for disposal. He is probably just going to run it through that before dumping it into the pick up container.

I would tell him that he doesn't need to go to the trouble to filter it first. If it isn't any bother for him to do it, it's a bonus for you. But you want to make it as easy for the restaurant as possible. He is excited about it right now. After he has filtered a thousand gallons for you the novelty may have worn off. You want to protect your supply line :D .

Here's a question that pertains to suspended particulates that I have been wondering about and some of you more experienced home brewers may have some insight; If you are going to make soap out of a batch of glycerol, would it be helpful if the oil was filtered prior to processing?

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if the purpose of biodiesel is to save money/use domestic energy, and realsitically a SVO system requires a two tank solution. why aren't flamable gasses (methane, propane, maybe hydrogen) that are made domestically being considered? a propane duel-fuel system would be way easier than some of the ideas in this thread, I have seen a off the shelf "duel fuel" as in not the performance oriented propane kits, for $1200, minus dot approved tanks.

I have been doing research into CNG, the kicker is high pressure pump needed to pump household NG to 2500 PSI is several $K, and the bi-fuel direct injectors are rare. nightly home-based NG fill-ups would literally cost pennies, less than an electric car would cost to charge (~$.19 @ $.05/KWH), I did the math. this type of CNG system would only use diesel to light the CNG, 5% diesel 95% cng, VM motori has an SAE paper out there (2004-01-0615, $15) were they did this to a 2.8 CRD. it won't knock because the NG is direct injected instead of fumigated in the intake.

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Making biodiesel may pay off quicker than we think, "Oil today has hit a record above $121" Before long, who knows what we'll be paying...............

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Okay guys, this is where I’m at. I now have an excellent source of methanol. Some of the local farmers are giving me several gallons of methanol for free. Then from here on out, I will be receiving 55 gallon drums of methanol at cost. I’m going to Lincoln, NE on September 12th for a meet and greet with the biopro dealer, see the biopro demonstration, ask a boat load of questions, make my wife feel warm and fuzzy, and all the other good stuff. I will probably go with the BioPro 190. I really don't want to get into the business of selling it.

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Nice! I am building a Murphy's Machine. I am slowly getting parts for it. My biggest hurdle is the welder. The guy that was going to let me use his shop pulled up stakes and moved to Ohio :( . I am now debating on whether to buy a cheap one at Harbor Freight or save up for Lincoln. The 190 is the way to go. I was talking to a guy that has one and its plumbed to a hot water line and drains wash water into a 300 gallon tote. He has it set up so that he can either use the water from the tote for washing (if its well settled and clean) or straight from the water heater. He says he still titrates each batch and adjusts the catalyst and methanol accordingly (so he doesn't waste them and so his rinse water stays less polluted).

Post up some pics when you get set up. I'm a little jealous, but I'm mostly excited for you. What does a drum of Methanol at cost run? I am just curious to see what the mark up is.

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Post up some pics when you get set up. I'm a little jealous, but I'm mostly excited for you. What does a drum of Methanol at cost run? I am just curious to see what the mark up is.


In most cases the methanol comes in tanker trucks and the cost is based on the price per gallon. At one point, they were buying methanol for under a dollar per gallon (not liter), which is pretty dang cheap compared to what I’ve seen people pay for it in 55 gallon drums. :shock: But then again, they are buying methanol in massive quantities and they are getting huge government discounts on top of that. I’m not kidding, Western Kansas has a very unique farming protocol that is like nowhere else in the world. We have the largest and deepest irrigation pivots in the world. I know farmers who are spending 23,000 dollars PER DAY just on diesel fuel to run their pivots. :shock: Some of these pivots are pumping water down at 600 feet. The amount of grain they can pull off an acre here is double from many places. Anyway, I will be getting my methanol transferred into 55 gallon drums from these bulk storage tanks.

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That's an amazing price! Since Methanol is the most expensive ingredient you can make some cheap bio :D . That should get your costs to well under a dollar a gallon. You'll have that BioPro paid for in savings in no time at that rate.

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That's an amazing price! Since Methanol is the most expensive ingredient you can make some cheap bio :D . That should get your costs to well under a dollar a gallon. You'll have that BioPro paid for in savings in no time at that rate.


Yep, I'm hoping to make it for .90 cents per gallon. We'll see how much electricity costs. Just pulling the travel trailer this summer, I spent well over $2,000 dollars on diesel fuel. Paying $8,000 for the BioPro really isn’t that expensive for what your getting. There is no doubt that it will pay for itself real quick. The BioPro is so easy to use, requires very little maintenance, no hassle, takes very little of your personal time, and makes excellent ASTM standard quality fuel with every batch for a peace of mind. For those who drive a lot or who have a family of diesels, it’s really a simple answer to a long-term problem.

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