Navy?

daspes · **Posted:** Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:58 pm

STINGN wrote:

well...since I'm Jewish and also am 1/4 Israeli I can be in I.D.F., height is no issue there because everyone 18 ahs to be in Israeli Army, but NAVY seals, its like, you can be whatever when you trail, but when your over 6'5'', then your more prone to not being qualified to pass, me being 6'6'', I cant run as fasdt as someone 6'0'' the same build as me, its all based on that (from what my brother said, he told me that i would make it, but i did get a letter to goto BUDS, maybe I will do it, but I have 3 choices, college football at ASU, IDF or NAVY Seals.

The is no min/max height for the Navy programs besides initial enlistment. IIRC 4'8"-6'8" is good to go. Everything above or below that requires a medical enlistment waiver.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:38 am

those height reqs apply more to specific mos applications, confined areas such as jets and some helos and what not

uss saipan and uss wasp amphib carrier warships are almost identical, saipan is just older, the quarters are slightly cramped at my height (6ft)

the uss rhode island actually had better quarters than either of the amphibs, but smelled worse, subs stink

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prepost edit:
i just wrote like 2 pages of ramble haha

i can summarize it in saying, oddball and joe and the others are all correct
we all like to give each other a hard time based on interservice rivalry, but it boils down to the fact that it's just in jest, because every service wants to be the best at everything, and it boils down to that every service is the best at Something and it doesn't matter what that is as long as they keep doin it

i wouldn't be here if it weren't for the other services doing something that either we as Marines don't do, or don't do very well, for instance every Marine gets quite a bit of medical knowledge for use in the field, whether they need it or not but I still owe Corpsmen more times than I care to count for getting to type this, it's just what they do, no different are the army tankers or anyone who flys air support or those who make sure your mother(or you or whoever needs it) gets your check on time when you're deployed

but, chances are they all joined because they either wanted to do something particular, or be apart of something bigger than they were

recruiters can give you all the bs to join their service with promises of college funds and what not, but if you want to go to college, go to college, apply for grants, scholarships, scholastic loans if you have to, start off with a 2 year college and get your 2yr AA and then any college will take you, and the learning curve of how to get a good GPA is over, any C's and what not you had in the 2 yr college don't transfer your gpa resets, you get the credits and if you get straight a's in the process of completing your degree at the university you graduate witha 4.0

if you have a strong feeling that if you dont join the navy or whatever service, that you'll sometime regret it down the road, then do it, worst case you'll do 4 or 5 years and be 22-23 when you start college which will be for the most part paid for, either way you look at it, after an enlistment, the hardest decision you'll have ahead of you is which of the girls going trail riding with you is the one you want to marry :wink:

you seem like a smart fella, i'd put my paycheck on the fact that by the time you finish highschool, you'll know exactly what you want to do

and that will put you miles and miles ahead of a huge majority of your peers

STINGN · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:29 am

then i'm good at 6'6'' but college football sound alot more fun to me, im a lover not a fighter lol

nosnorb_808 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:22 am

STINGN wrote:

then i'm good at 6'6'' but college football sound alot more fun to me, im a lover not a fighter lol

oddball · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:54 am

Just so we're all on the same page here, when I referred to disrespecting other branches of service, I wasn't referring to jokes or razzing each other.

Anyone who joins the military regardless of branch will only get out of it, what they put into it , if you know what I mean.

As for reasons to join, I didn't have one except for the one and only hero in my life, who was my father. He was a WWII vet from DDay to VE Day. He was Army. He didn't want me to go Army. I told him I wanted to follow as close as possible in his footsteps. I think that was the first and only time he looked at me thinking his son is nuts. Be that as it may, the Army no longer had Anti-Aircraft (twin - 50 cal) Gunner's on M16 Halftracks, so I went Armor, as in tanks. He didn't live long enough to experience the pride, his or mine. For the record, he landed upon Omaha Beach sector Easy Red at 8:30 am on 6 June. Then found himself in the Ardennes forest right in the middle of the Battle of the Bulge, he then liberated the Dachau Camp and drank vodka with the Russians in Berlin. With that said, I wasn't 1/10 the solider he was, but I always hoped he was proud of me.

Looking back, what other reason could I possibly have had? The military isn't for everyone but if it is for you, make the best of it.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:09 pm

Back to the height thing. Being on a ship and being really tall is not easy. The captain of my carrier was about 6'5" and he was ducking constantly walking throughout the ship. If you don't enough....OW!

The knee-knockers are no fun at any height but you are ducking and stepping at the same time when tall. The bunks they started installing back in 1986 are enclosed on three sides (both ends and is not good for anyone over 6' tall).

My fondest and toughest memories were with the Navy (4 yrs) compared to serving 12 yrs with the Air National Guard (Ohio and Colorado) and six years with the Army National Guard (Ohio and Texas). It was that very impressionable time right after high school and my active duty time.

I originally visited the Air Force recruiter, they said I couldn't get anything in electronics for a year and a half so I moved on. I talked to the Army and took the ASVAB with them, but they couldn't do anything for my interests. I talked to the Navy and they got me my electronics field. The day I was going to Basic, the guys at MEPS asked if I wanted to take the Nuclear Power test because I at the top with my ASVAB score. Little did I know...... I got a good enough score and they asked if I wanted to go into Nuclear Power. Without any knowledge on it, I accepted. They asked what I wanted to go in as. I didn't know. I thought I was in a career field, Nuclear Power. They said they would just send me as "General." sensored word! I lost my electronics. In Basic, I found out that there were 3 careers in Nuclear Power, Electronics, Electrical, Machinist. The Navy put me in Electrical! sensored word! Moral of the story......ASK QUESTIONS! No matter if you think you know what they are talking about or it seems obvious. Do not be timid or over confident in thinking you know what is going on. Ask.

Aside from that, I enjoyed the travel to many countries and the experience of living on a floating city. I think I would have been seasick everyday on a small boy (Frigate, Cruiser).

Each branch has its own uniqueness to it. You will have to determine if their style is for you.

As for deploying, the Air Force varies. People are having short deployments (i.e. 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, etc..). It depends on the job you are sent to do.

With the Air National Guard, it is about volunteering. There are deployment opportunities everywhere and in everything. Guardsmen from my former unit were volunteering to go on those different deployments all of the time. My deployment to Balad, Iraq was only 1 month. A long one month though.

Toughest parts for each branch is the length of time you can be away from spouse/bf-gf and kids. While we are in this Middle East situation, the Army is doing 1 yr tours or more. They might be home 6 months to only one year before they go deploy again for a year or more. Not very good on a family. The Navy goes on a 6-month overseas cruise, comes back, does a few 1-3 week cruises around the sea for a few months and then goes back on another 6-month cruise. The Air Force stays put, but periodically you might get deployed for said lengths of time mentioned earlier. If you ever want to go into the Space Operations field, be ready to have no personal life and your sleep pattern is messed up. Those guys work 12-hr shifts, which is nothing tough but it is when you are doing three shifts of days, switch to two shifts of nights, two days off, three night shifts, two day shifts, three days off; life sucks. Your sleep is all screwed up. Sleep apnea is far too common with them. The advantage is those guys get very high paying jobs with the contract companies (working for the government/military) after they get out of the military.

The first thing you need to do is take the ASVAB to find out what careers you can go into for each branch.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:11 pm

if you undershoot the target asvab for something you're interested in, get an asvab study book, it can help improve your scored sections by 20-30 pts

zzack92 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm **Posts:** 371

well thnks guys this is helping ALOTTT! One of the cool things i found in the navy(im sure its in other branches too) but is that you can go into basic w/ up too 4 friends and they will keep you together as long as they can. Also how long is basic for the services i know navy said that theirs is 8 weeks.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:06 pm

yeah, that can be a good or bad thing, depending on the friends

i've seen people delay their entry time and time again because their friend(s) weren't as committed

if you do a DEP (delayed entry program) chances are you'll make friends as a Poolee or whatever the navy would call theirs, who will be shipping the same time you will

when I went there were only 3 of us from NC that left that day, the rest were from whereever else on the east half of the US. one who crapped his pants upon the arrival of the D.I. at the van we arrived in, and the other who faked a ankle injury , aka what the army would call a Sick Call Sapper

zzack92 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm **Posts:** 371

Yeah yeah. Also On the ASVAB can you use a calculator and when do you take it for real?

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:14 pm

nope, i don't remember needing one either

they give you pencil and paper

you can take the practice version in the recruiters office whenever you want, it'll give you a halfway feel for the real test and give you a somewhat decent idea of how you're doing

the real test you'll take usually the day before you go to meps for preenlistment processing

how it normally works up in pitsburg is you get a ride with a fella who drops you off at the 911th at the airforce base, theyll take you to meps that night or the next day and youll take the asvab in their testing center, then take you back to the base/hotel, youll sleep, get up eat breakfast and go to meps for a most of the day sit around and wait, see the docs do a duck walk etc, bend over and cough to make sure your dangles aren't broken, then see the appropriate liason for precontract what-nots

the day you actually ship you typically get dropped off at a hotel, have dinner, sleep, get up get a good shower, get breakfast and dropped off at meps, see the doc to make sure you didn't break yourself and that youre ready to go, do a weigh in, see the liason for final contract processing and then wait around and watch tv and wait for the van to the airport/bus station or direct van transport to recruit training

zzack92 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm **Posts:** 371

sorry if this is a dum question but whats MEPS? Something to do with medical inspection im guessing. Also is the navy's physical test as easy as it sounds?

zzack92 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm **Posts:** 371

Alright i just took a brief ASVAB test (40question) and it says that The AFQT is comprised of your test results in Arithmetic Reasoning (AR), Math Knowledge (MK), and Verbal Composite (VE) x 2. Your Verbal Composite score is a combination of your Word Knowledge and Paragraph Comprehension scores. The required score for Navy is 36 and if i did it right i got a 40? so i think thats good?

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:51 pm

meps is military enterance processing station

all branches use the same medical physical assessment at meps, the differences come in at height vs weight requirements and IST (initial strength test) scoring, for instance, USMC uses certain time 1.5 mile run, atleast 3 pull ups and 50 crunches is a perfect IST score, where 18min 3 mile 100 crunches 10 pull ups = perfect for PFT (physical fitness test) for enlisted personel, ie: what you'd have to pass prior to graduating Marine Boot Camp, pft scores and assessments differ for each branch as well

if you got a 40 in the recruiters office you'd probably get a moderate score on the actual asvab, but chances of passing would be very good, the actual asvab tests you on quite a few things more than the practice version, such as electrical and mechanical items and crypto logics but they aren't scored for enterance, but can still apply for entry to certain occupations, for instance navy intel language and linguistics requires an almost perfect language score

i would still pick up an asvab study book from barnes and nobles or something, higher your score the easier it will be for you to have a wider variety of choices on occupations, plus by the time you finish HS your score will be naturally higher anyway due to the math classes etc that youll take

ive seen guys get 20s on the practice and get moderately higher scores on the actual test, ive also seen people ace the practice and flop the real one, i think it throws some people off simply because theres only like 6 keys on the test center keyboards :lol:

oddball · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:55 pm

zzack92,

GO HERE...
http://www.military.com/ASVAB

bugnout · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:01 pm

Let me say congratulations on considering the services. My father was Navy, I was career AF and my son is now in the Navy, on a guided missile destroyer.

Check out http://www.military.com to research jobs, learn about basic, and know what questions to ask your recruiter. they also have practice ASVAB tests.

MEPS (Military Entrance Processing Center) is the processing station that will do your physical, take the ASVAB, pick your job, talk to a psychiatrist, maybe take a lie detector test. do background paperwork etc. Its a fairly intense day or two, and you should do all your job research before you get there. If your going straight in, this would all be done the day you arrive. If your going in DEP (delayed Enlistment Program) then you'd get this done then go home until your reporting date.

AF basic training used to be 6 weeks, not sure anymore that was 30 years ago. Navy was 8 weeks + 1 week for processing for my son.

I also recommend taking everything your recruiter tells you with a big grain of salt. They are all regular NCO's and officers with real jobs, but the recruiting assignment puts them under a lot of pressure to meet quota's. They may not have your best interests in mind in all cases.

Good Luck

A veteran is someone who, at some time has written a blank check to the United States of America for any amount up to and including their life.

zzack92 · **Joined:** Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm **Posts:** 371

oddball wrote:

zzack92,

GO HERE...
http://www.military.com/ASVAB

thanksss that is the one i was taking

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:48 pm

Not sure if the military has raised its standards, but there were gangbangers in my boot camp company from Chicago and they had ASVAB scores in the low 30's. Now that the military is more computer and electronic, I would think the requirements are higher.

I scored a 99 on my ASVAB (each branch adjusts the score for their requirements - the Navy scores I had were in the 130's and I think a couple 140's) and didn't know much about cars/engines back then. Just very mechanically inclined. Also, if you are color blind, you will lose a lot of career choices. If you have flat feet......they may have opened this one up. Not sure.

As far as the MEPS station goes:

They will most likely have you drop to the tile floor on your knees also. OUCH!

Also, if you live close enough, you can drive there yourself and not stay overnight....unless you plan to leave that very day or the next.

Navy basic was 8 weeks, Marines is 12, Army was 10 (they may have decreased it, not sure), Air Force 6 weeks

daspes · **Posted:** Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:46 am

When I transferred from my MEPS, Navy Boot was down to 6 weeks. They dropped service week....

For the physical, all branches are the same, except for body fat requirements. The Navy has the addition of requiring the "duck walk", we actually loose 2-3 people a day through medical to that one.

All ASVAB's are computer based now, unless you request a paper based test, which is given once monthly. There are 5 versions to the test. Scores run between a 0 (yes I've seen that) to 99. Each service uses different components of the test to achieve their AFQT. The minimum score varies, depending on recruiting quotas. With DOD downsizing, minimum scores are increasing.

Basically, your recruiter takes you to the MEPS in the evening, you take your ASVAB. Crash at the hotel, get up early, take a series of physical tests. Talk to the doc. Wait, (there is alot of that during the day) talk to you Classifier, look at what your options are depending on SFQT, and physical qualifications (eye sight, color perception, hearing, etc.). Pick your job. Sign your contract, swear in to DEP. Go home.

amerpwr · **Posted:** Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:11 am

air force basic just extended to 8.5 weeks. Not sure the differences in training becuase i did the 6 week one. the ASVAB is pretty easy. I scored like and 85 or something on it.

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