Jeep Vs Hummer

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:33 pm

InCommando wrote:

But Digger, I wanted to hear about towing capacity! :shock:

It's all good. I would never waste the money to smash that R/C toy in the first video, anyway. With my luck, it would have cut a tire....

me to, it seams that murphy is always lurking when I feel like doing something stupid

2006 KJ · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:36 pm

and the whole time i was just wondering which one of the neighbor kids is going to be real upset when they cant find their r/c the next morning :shock:

besides.. this is the real test of jeep vs hummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSDNFdV_ ... re=related

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:50 pm

haha, now that's classy!

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:15 pm

InCommando wrote:

nightdrv wrote:

Dammit, stop it with the Hummer bashing. I am a fan of the H1, and a little towards the H3. Plus, wait till you all start seeing those H3's on the trail soon. (hopefully)

Anyways, the Hummers are pefectly capable, although not very high, they have the best drive system available.

I'll bet that few people outside of enthusiasts even think of the H1 when they think of Hummer. They sold very very few civilian versions and it has been out of production for a few years now. True, it is the only real Hummer and not a re-bodified version of a shared GM platform. It was designed under AMC via AMGeneral in the '70's.

To the vast majority of folks, the Hummer is just the H2, which is a gmt900 just like the Tahoe no matter what Hummerites say, and the H3, which is a gmt355, the same platform as the Canyon/Colorado. I don't hear anyone crowing about the off-road prowress of any of Hummer's stablemates, do you? Ton's of late model GMT900's (Tahoes/Yukons/'burbans/Avalanches/Escalades) and GMT355 (Canyons & Colorados) were sold, yet none of them are regulars on the trails, are they? Why would the H2 or H3 be any different?

I'd like some info as to what makes the "best drive system?" The rubicon, as one example, would probably have some issues with this statement. And the Dodge Power Wagon, as another. Or anything with a SFA instead of IFS. In the H3's case, consider the 4700# + curb weight & a tiny front IFS diff with big tires and half-shafts. That, my friend, is a recipe for disaster.

To lump the H1 in with those other two excercises in marketing is a crime, in my eyes.

EDIT: I have a question regarding locking differentials on the H2. I am not saying they did not have them, but I cannot find a factory front locking diff for the H2, only the rear. Can you point me towards info about the factory front locking diff on an H2 ( or H3, for that matter)? Thanks much.

Agreed

GM ruined the Hummer name.Say anything bad you want about the H2/H3's but let me drive a H1 and you'll be a believer also,better to use a Marine Corps HMMWV and show you what fording 60" of water feels like.In Afghanistan my M1097A1 HMMWV was tipping the scales at about 16,000lbs and there roads where about a level 3 trail(scale of 1-5) and took her anywhere I wanted,should have seen some of the places I took her you'd s$%t yourself.Out of 12 months only had 2 failures,one brake line(due to constant rubbing of the splash shield) and one LBJ,and over 40,000miles was put on over there also.

Inc · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:23 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

GM ruined the Hummer name.

Yes they did. They took advantage of the H1's solid off road history, military service and capability and made the H2 and H3, both of which suck IMO, and tried to pass them both off as as capable as the H1. Then they stopped making the H1 didn't they?

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:26 pm

....and the Jeep/Chrysler/Sprinter dealer next door has moved into the space.

Think CSI Miami will go for a Jeep now?

Or are the drug dealers the Police seize cars from to stupid to drive a Jeep?

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:30 pm

Inc wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

GM ruined the Hummer name.

Yes they did. They took advantage of the H1's solid off road history, military service and capability and made the H2 and H3, both of which suck IMO, and tried to pass them both off as as capable as the H1. Then they stopped making the H1 didn't they?

They stopped selling Civilian H1's due to a higher demand for armored(M1113's) HMMWV's in Iraq and Afghanistan.To bad the H1 Alpha version was kicka$$.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:31 pm

aside from engine compartment fires, and the wiper modules that i got really tired of leaning out over the roof to make the wipers go back and forth for the driver i'll X2 tjkj's comment on the real hmmwv's

and of course the wipers wern't a gm product and the engine fires were due to being dogged to death, oil leaks and road/trail debris

can't say how many full sized tree trunks we've dislodged from under them that were drug flat by the time we knew they were there

the hmmwv's were a completely different species of vehicle, i'd be real hard pressed to make any sort of comparason between them and anything built after the h1 on the consumer market

i do however prefer the comfort of a Jeep, i've driven all of the hummer variants and did not personally get the feeling of 'oh yeaaah im gonna take this thing anywhere I wanna go..' it was more of a constant making sure i wasn't about to scratch it feeling

i'd probably have to buy one that was already beat up in order to be comfortable wheeling it

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:39 pm

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

aside from engine compartment fires, and the wiper modules that i got really tired of leaning out over the roof to make the wipers go back and forth for the driver i'll X2 tjkj's comment on the real hmmwv's

The older HMMWV's had a knack for catching on fire from operators forgetting to release the parking brakes,then they switched to the parking brakes integrated into the rear calipers instead of on the rear diff pinion yoke.I hear you about the wipers,those stupid master light switches and glow plug controllers sucked also.Can't tell how many engines I've pulled out of them in pieces due to the Infantry liked to play in the ocean and forget to wash the salt water off :twisted:

.I could go on and on with the problems of the H1's but 90% of those are from operator error since they don't care since they don't have to pay for the repairs.At least they are simple and most of the parts are very easy to come by but a few are harder.The deep water fording kits and the CTIS kits are awesome.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:46 pm

we were supposed to wash something off? I thought driving it through the ocean was washing it off? It looked cleaner?

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:47 pm

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

we were supposed to wash something off? I thought driving it through the ocean was washing it off? It looked cleaner?

InCommando · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:54 pm

The Alpha rocked, but was uber expensive. The H1 sales were never really there, and with limited plant capacity, axing it for more military versions just made sense.

TJKJ: I have a nearly new set of 37x12.50x16.5 OZ's. Should I keep them or are they worthless?

2006 KJ: Keep your butt out of Ohio. When my 5 yr old daughter sees what I have done to her Barbie Jeep because of that vid you posted, she is going to be looking for you... :lol:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:58 pm

InCommando wrote:

The Alpha rocked, but was uber expensive. The H1 sales were never really there, and with limited plant capacity, axing it for more military versions just made sense.

TJKJ: I have a nearly new set of 37x12.50x16.5 OZ's. Should I keep them or are they worthless?

Those are okay,they will take a beating but don't air them down unless they are on H1 double beadlock rims..The 36x12.50x16.5 OZ's where the better version,bias ply though and were designed for a very heavy rig,totally awesome in the mud.

InCommando · **Posted:** Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:26 pm

They are already mounted on Humvee beadlocks. I bought them just for the rims, but the tires are proabbly at 90-95% tread.... It sure would be cheaper to use these for awhile.

I had a set of the Wrangler R/T's, like the 36's, on a jeep in about 1982. They seemed to work retty well.

Jeep Dawg · **Posted:** Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:54 am

That is all i need to say about that

HoosierJeeper · **Joined:** Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:23 am **Posts:** 1218

I do like the H3T that came out, but nowhere near as much as my KJ. For the most part, I don't know about the drivers of Hummers. All the ones down here are lowered and sitting on 22" on low profiles. It makes me sick to see a vehicle that otherwise would've been great off road turned into a lowrider.

oddball · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:17 pm

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

i do however prefer the comfort of a Jeep, i've driven all of the hummer variants and did not personally get the feeling of 'oh yeaaah im gonna take this thing anywhere I wanna go..' it was more of a constant making sure i wasn't about to scratch it feeling

You mention the comfort of a Jeep then relate to having driven all variants of Hummers, but I'm confused if you were referring to all civilian models, all military models, or all combined??? So as for that feeling of 'oh yeah I'm gonna take this thing anywhere I wanna go'.... I know that feeling better than anyone.

Tracks Rule. There ain't a Jeep or Hummer that could play with me. :wink:

I'd take either of them out... one way or another. :mrgreen:

Mess With The Best - Die Like The Rest:twisted:

Burchie · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:16 pm

Jeep4me99 wrote:

I think this is a pretty accurate comparison between Jeep and Hummer vehicles.

I don't know about that, but I had to watch it 3 times before I could stop laughing. People need to relax a little.

2006 KJ · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:16 pm

oddball wrote:

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

i do however prefer the comfort of a Jeep, i've driven all of the hummer variants and did not personally get the feeling of 'oh yeaaah im gonna take this thing anywhere I wanna go..' it was more of a constant making sure i wasn't about to scratch it feeling

You mention the comfort of a Jeep then relate to having driven all variants of Hummers, but I'm confused if you were referring to all civilian models, all military models, or all combined??? So as for that feeling of 'oh yeah I'm gonna take this thing anywhere I wanna go'.... I know that feeling better than anyone.

Tracks Rule. There ain't a Jeep or Hummer that could play with me. :wink:

I'd take either of them out... one way or another. :mrgreen:

Mess With The Best - Die Like The Rest:twisted:

i'm not sure if i'd be to sure about that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m3NPWfXg-I

ok maybe i spend WAAAAYYY to much time on youtube

i cant help it it keep suggesting videos!

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:35 pm

oddball:

sorry if it was confusing, i see where ya commin from

i've driven all of the civ model hummers, and just about all of the military hmmwv loadouts at some point or time, the only one I had concerns with was the avenger which simply needed to be put on a tracked platform for anything other than semi soft dirt

when i said comfort, i was refering to the non-paranoia
all of the H models gave me some sort of paranoia that i was going to scratch or dent something that was going to cost me a few pay checks to fix, the H1 and H2 are the only two that I actually got to wheel, the H3 was just a cruise through a dealers 4x4 circuit that didn't account to much at all

I actually got to run around in a friends H1 out in new mexico and had a blast

wasn't saying i wasn't comfortable physically in the vehicle, or that the jeep was more comfortable, i'm simply more comfortable owning a jeep, If i had a H-whatever it would probably never see anything more than sand which would be a shame, i'd be too uncomfortable wheeling something that pricey

i was VERY comfortable in hmmwv's when it came to that aspect, but as a DD i'll take a jeep and if i crush a fender it's a mail order or pick yard trip away to get another

i can identify with your zest for the tracks, i got to play around in a bradley ifv, i unfortunatly never scored myself any playtime in an abrams

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