Jeep and the Detroit autoshow

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:08 pm

if you NEED a certain drive type to get through ANY inclement weather, your license should be revoked and you should take the bus. aside from my 86 Civic WagoVan (and honestly, that's not much of an exception, since I used it for huntin), all my 4wd vehicles have been purchased for exploring regions that "normal" cars, 2 wheel drive or not, couldn't get to. in fact, during winters in Michigan, I parked my CJ-7 and drove my Thunderbird, because it was BETTER under those conditions. if you can't handle a little ice/snow with a powerful, lightweight RWD vehicle with a locker or limited slip diff, hitch a ride with your grandmother.

now, wouldn't you guys think that the Compass/Patriot would make a nice addition to an all-American invasion of the WRC? think about it, the Compass blazing across Africa in the Safari rally, snorkeled out with that crazy tube bumper crap they put on there for that rally? or sliding sideways in Europe donkey-punching the crap outta the Peugeots and Mitsus and Subarus?

if nothing else, it'd be fun to blast down some fireroads or something, and there's always the possibility of the SRT4 engine and an SRT version.

the1jferg · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:57 pm

Da Mississippi Kid said....Take a bus or Hitch a ride wit yo Grammy !

:lol:

Thats some funny stuff there!

m0th · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:07 pm

How did....

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Ed · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:26 pm

It looked good in this concept shot too. There are only subtle differences, but that's the difference between cool looking WRC-style rally car and pile of utter crud;

ManicMechanicJoe · **Posted:** Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:17 pm

the concepts looks pretty close to me, and ThunderbirdJunkie: I realize in Mississippi you don't get a whole lot of snow but sometimes you NEED 4x4 to get through. Ice also is worse up here. So far we haven't had a snow deep enough to need 4x4 yet..but on the steep hills my town is known for, 4x4 is quite often needed.

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:53 am

The front bumper is like an inverted KJ bumper. Quite different grille size and front bumper from those two pictures.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:17 am

Anyone have pricing information on the new Compass (?) How does it compare to the liberty?

(sorry if it was already posted, I skipped right to the end of the thread)

jeeplikens · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:19 am

the1jferg wrote:

"Well, considering a 2x4 Liberty has about as much ability on packed snow and ice as my kids little tikes wagon"

Put some weight in the rear end bud or a few studs and you won't have as much of a problem.

a major percent of vehicle capability is knowing how to use what you got.

Move to TEXAS the most perfect Republic and snow won't be a constant issue.
:lol:

chains/studded tires are not allowed in Michigan.. Please.. we have enough troubles with our roads as it is. But my small point was take your standard 2wd KJ off the showroom floor and it's sorta as useless in snow/ice as it gets. Those stock POS tires that were on mine were useless 2 months new. I've since put Cooper M&S Discover tires on and it does MUCH MUCH better. It still spins but man does it throw chunks..

With the KJ's limited cargo space.. a couple of bags of play sand in the back eating up what little cargo space I have is just going to make me drive the van to the supermarket for some milk.. So, I op to leave out the sand, pop it in 4Hi and go. :oops:

If I moved to Texas.. I wouldn't need 4wd. I'd just take a old wv bug and build a dune buggy. :wink:

.. I hear those armadilos can cause as much damage to a car as deer. :shock:

brpn#1 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:23 am

m0th wrote:

How did....

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wtf are they thinking.. i mean.. jeeps.. cmon... geezz.. wtf are they thinking.. its like a pontiac aztec.. EWWWWWW

WV(0)IIIIIII(0) · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:24 am

Rant On

I would have to say that I am a die-hard Jeep fan, but I would not own that ugly POS if someone gave it to me. If this is what the future is gonna look like then someone needs to hurry up and invent that time machine so I can stay in the time when a Jeep was a Jeep and a half-breed car thing was unheard of. I think we need to get ahold of those so-called smart people that thought this one up and tar and feather them. Lets leave the ugly stylings to such car manufactures as Hundai, Toyota, Honda, and Scion and keep producing real American Vehicles. Call me a Redneck or Backwoods but I remember my Dads Jeep and it was real. And as far as 2WD VS. 4WD that is a topis that can only be settled on the trail because opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and most of them stink.

Rant Off

jeeplikens · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:54 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

if you NEED a certain drive type to get through ANY inclement weather, your license should be revoked and you should take the bus. aside from my 86 Civic WagoVan (and honestly, that's not much of an exception, since I used it for huntin), all my 4wd vehicles have been purchased for exploring regions that "normal" cars, 2 wheel drive or not, couldn't get to. in fact, during winters in Michigan, I parked my CJ-7 and drove my Thunderbird, because it was BETTER under those conditions. if you can't handle a little ice/snow with a powerful, lightweight RWD vehicle with a locker or limited slip diff, hitch a ride with your grandmother.

now, wouldn't you guys think that the Compass/Patriot would make a nice addition to an all-American invasion of the WRC? think about it, the Compass blazing across Africa in the Safari rally, snorkeled out with that crazy tube bumper crap they put on there for that rally? or sliding sideways in Europe donkey-punching the crap outta the Peugeots and Mitsus and Subarus?

if nothing else, it'd be fun to blast down some fireroads or something, and there's always the possibility of the SRT4 engine and an SRT version.

Yeah, I use to think the same thing when I was young, growing up on a farm and not knowing any better. Didn't take watching DAKAR to make me realize the benifits of 4wd till I got a 2wd dual wheel tractor stuck and used a 4wd version (to pull out the 2wd version). 4WD abilities has been embraced by the farm and construction industry for years. Having lived in WI and MI.. I've had to deal with the way idiots with 2wd cars drive in bad weather not having a clue to realize they don't have to clearance or traction to push 2 feet of snow or get up that ramp so they drive 5mph holding up everyone who thinks they can do better. :evil:

.. I wish they would take your advise and hitch a ride with the bus. But guess they called granny insted because they drive like her.. :lol:

JUST STAY HOME for gods sake. Like I said, from my 2 years of driving my KJ. Having 4wd was the difference of getting out or waiting for a tow. Hand nothing to do with ones ability, just the law of physics. :oops:

So I'm lazy and don't know how to drive.. give me a break.. I'm just learning the michigan way.. :lol:

ManicMechanicJoe · **Posted:** Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:55 pm

yeah Jeeplikens-i learned the same way- don't tell me I can't drive because my last truck was a 2 wheel drive diesel. It's awfully hard to find a worse winter vehicle then a 2 wheel drive 20 year old diesel pickup...Yes I did make through one winter but there were plenty of streets where I couldn't go in snow storms. I'd put blizzaks on and 200 pounds in the rear for weight-it was still a 2 wheel drive. Maybe you get more snow and ice in mississippi then we do in the upper midwest and maybe you're allowed to run studs and chains (which we can't).

kj in a tight spot · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:36 am

I think we all get the picture guys...bottom line, a 4x2 is NOT as capable as a 4x4...someone said early in this thread that they would put any locked 4x2 up against a 4x4, I say...GIVE ME A BREAK! A locked diff in the rear DOES NOT mean you can automatically get up crap that you were not able to do before. 4x4 is NECESSARY to be SAFE and SUCESSFUL off-roading! Seen it too many times in state run off-roading parks where every city yokel comes out with the Expedition, Yukon, Suburban, all those soccer mom SUVs and think they own the world. Those that I have seen have been 4x2 and they ALWAYS GET STUCK! Ask me how many times I have had to strap an idiot or help out a 4x2 who got stuck...TOO MANY! STAY OFF THE TRAILS! All it does is clog the trails for actual Jeepers and can even be a hazard because they think their vehicle is capable of so much more...especially when someone tells them that all you gotta do is throw a locker on there and your set! My booty! Just this past weekend me and my buds were out at our fav muddin hole with a bunch of quads, bikes, and Jeeps/trucks and lo and behold, who shows up but a SUBURBAN...WITH CHROMED OUT RIMS NO LESS...and promptly gets stuck. Eventually got out and after glancing at all of our disgruntled faces he knew he should leave...and he sure did...sorry for my long rant...had to get it off my chest

WV(0)IIIIIII(0) · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:45 am

kj in a tight spot wrote:

I think we all get the picture guys...bottom line, a 4x2 is NOT as capable as a 4x4...someone said early in this thread that they would put any locked 4x2 up against a 4x4, I say...GIVE ME A BREAK! A locked diff in the rear DOES NOT mean you can automatically get up crap that you were not able to do before. 4x4 is NECESSARY to be SAFE and SUCESSFUL off-roading! Seen it too many times in state run off-roading parks where every city yokel comes out with the Expedition, Yukon, Suburban, all those soccer mom SUVs and think they own the world. Those that I have seen have been 4x2 and they ALWAYS GET STUCK! Ask me how many times I have had to strap an idiot or help out a 4x2 who got stuck...TOO MANY! STAY OFF THE TRAILS! All it does is clog the trails for actual Jeepers and can even be a hazard because they think their vehicle is capable of so much more...especially when someone tells them that all you gotta do is throw a locker on there and your set! My @$#%! Just this past weekend me and my buds were out at our fav muddin hole with a bunch of quads, bikes, and Jeeps/trucks and lo and behold, who shows up but a SUBURBAN...WITH CHROMED OUT RIMS NO LESS...and promptly gets stuck. Eventually got out and after glancing at all of our disgruntled faces he knew he should leave...and he sure did...sorry for my long rant...had to get it off my chest

In defense of some 4x2 owners (before this gets blown to far out of perportion) You can still be a Jeeper in a 4x2. A Jeep is a Jeep rather it be 4x4 or 4x2. If you are on this board then you are a Jeeper. People will have pride in whatever they own as long as they are proud of it. I have had fwd cars that would make it in the snow but that did not mean that they were as or more capable as a 4x4. A lot of it depends on the skill of the driver (and as we all know you are the best driver on and off road in your own mind). This thread was started for another reason, not so we could have a debate on the ability of 4x2 vs. 4x4. Like I stated before if you believe you can make it in a 4x2 then hit the trail. This is the only real way to slove it.
Peace Out

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