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My 2 pennies here. I am a fan of the lower end Nikon series DLSRs. the D40 and D60. The otherr DSLRs from Canon and Sony in this price range seem pretty good to me as well. My aunt has the Canon Rebel I think and my friend has the Sony Alpha. These are all the models for around $600 bucks. They all turn out amazing pictures but the Nikon is just the one I like to hold in my hand. It just feels way better to me than the others. I have also use a Nikon D70(not produced anymore) and I really really really liked that camera. As for point and shoots. I have had four in the last 5 years. My most recent one was a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FX500. I kept this one on my pocket all the time including when I washed it one day :cry: It just depends on what you want in a camera. Honestly, I can't help but want and even better camera now that I have seen how great pictures can be. I will be stepping up here soon to a higher end Nikon.

Next time you see a sporting or news event on the television, count the white lenses you see in use. Who makes white lenses? Just Canon.
Nikon holds a decent advantage in wide angle photography. When it comes to telephoto lenses, Canon is the only one to use. Canon is weak in the wide angle department, although they do have a few decent ones. Nikon is weak in the telephoto department, although... (see above). The enormous telephoto lenses (the white ones) are hard to even argue about.
You hit on one point that is always critical... the camera has to feel right in your hands when you use it. I never liked Hasselblad for that reason, it just never worked right for me. Doesn't mean 'blads aren't any good, just that it didn't suit me.
It's imperative that you test out a DSLR system to make sure you are comforatable with it... you're buying into a system... your lens(es) will stay with you through several camera bodies, and you'll add to the pile.
Only rarely do you see pros (mostly sports shooters) with both Nikon and Canon in their bags, but it's to accomplish the work... after all, it's a tax write-off for them, and not getting the shot is missing a paycheck.
For those that are just doing it for fun, you have to make sure it's going to be fun, not a chore.

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Nikon makes great telephoto lenses. Just my opinion, but I think the reason you see more of those white lenses is they're less expensive, not because they're better (but they are very good). Just one comparison: Canon's 600mm f/4 with Image Stabilization is $8,300. Nikon's 600mm f/4 with Vibration Reduction is $10,300.

I'm a Nikon guy for the reason mentioned earlier -- ergonomics. I've always liked the way their cameras feel, and the controls are set up very intuitively. Also, Nikon's pro cameras and lenses are built like bricks, almost indestructible. But the cost issue is something to consider very seriously. Nikon lenses usually cost more, sometimes much more, than Canon glass. And with either brand, the glass is very important, more so than the camera body. One thing I'd mention if you're considering Nikon is that many lenses don't autofocus with entry-level SLRs like the D40. Maybe it's the same with Canon, I don't really know. Those lenses will work, but they'll be manual focus only. So if you like autofocus, be sure of what you're buying.


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All Canon EF lenses will work on any EOS camera. Canon didn't try to straddle the canoe, and instead dumped the FD lens mount/camera system entirely.
I was thinking more along the lines of long tele's, not the little ones...
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EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM Autofocus Lens for around $11,499.
Or if you wanted to go bigger, there are a few EF 1200mm lenses still floating around.
Nikon makes great wide angle lenses. Tele's, mehh. Not so much.

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Oh, yeah, 600mm is tiny. :roll: But since anyone buying a camera for day-to-day use is probably gonna max out somewhere between 200 and 400 mm, it's a pretty irrelevant issue that Canon makes an 800. In the range that normal people are going to use and afford, Nikon and Canon both make excellent telephotos. And as far as lens compatibility, the only issue is whether a particular camera body is able to make the AF lenses work. Some cameras don't have a built-in autofocus motor because Nikon wanted to make them more affordable. It's a tradeoff between affordability and ability. A lot of people who buy a D40 or D60 to save money wind up upgrading later. I don't want this to turn into a Nikon vs. Canon flamewar. Both companies make great stuff. I think it still comes down to how does the camera feel, how easy is it to operate. And Nikon fits me like a glove.


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Oh, yeah, 600mm is tiny. :roll: But since anyone buying a camera for day-to-day use is probably gonna max out somewhere between 200 and 400 mm, it's a pretty irrelevant issue that Canon makes an 800. In the range that normal people are going to use and afford, Nikon and Canon both make excellent telephotos. And as far as lens compatibility, the only issue is whether a particular camera body is able to make the AF lenses work. Some cameras don't have a built-in autofocus motor because Nikon wanted to make them more affordable. It's a tradeoff between affordability and ability. A lot of people who buy a D40 or D60 to save money wind up upgrading later. I don't want this to turn into a Nikon vs. Canon flamewar. Both companies make great stuff. I think it still comes down to how does the camera feel, how easy is it to operate. And Nikon fits me like a glove.

Good that you can wiggle your fingers.
C'mon. Admit it. You know you want the 1200mm. (and the equipment bearer it takes to lug it around)

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If I had one, I'd sell it, and roll around on the floor in all the cash. :lol:


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Anyhow, what I really want is at the other end of the spectrum. But I don't think Santa's gonna be this nice to me, not after he had to shell out for a new engine:

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Nice, I use an EF 17-40mm f/4 L as a walk-around lens sometimes. Alternated with the EF 24-70 f/2.8 L.
Covers most ranges well enough.


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Here you go, the infamous Canon 1200mm f/5.6 L

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Have you ever wondered what a 100,000 dollar lens looks like? That is what it looks like :D

Makes that 1Ds look small.

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Here you go, the infamous Canon 1200mm f/5.6 L

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Have you ever wondered what a 100,000 dollar lens looks like? That is what it looks like :D

Makes that 1Ds look small.

I believe the instructions for that thing are to mount the lens to the tripod, then mount the camera onto the lens!
Standing on end, it's almost as tall as a person (well, a not too tall person).

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i think im going to be picking up the d3000 friday and see how it goes..i have held them all and the nikon feels the best..also since it is my first DSLR the new guide mode on it should help me out to learn...from what i have learned this is a great beginner camera

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Have fun with it. Does that come with the 18-55 lens? As kit lenses go, that's a good one.


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i think im going to be picking up the d3000 friday and see how it goes..i have held them all and the nikon feels the best..also since it is my first DSLR the new guide mode on it should help me out to learn...from what i have learned this is a great beginner camera

Now that's the right answer!
In the end, it has to function in your hands... congrats on making a good choice.

There is an excellent AMPHOTO book (old, but still a great basic guide and not expensive on Amazon) called "Understanding Exposure" that may prove helpful, after you get tired of running in auto or beginner mode.

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Have fun with it. Does that come with the 18-55 lens? As kit lenses go, that's a good one.

yes it comes with the 18-55 lens i havent heard much about lenses but im glad to hear its a good one..i guess i will learn more about lenses as i start to take pictures :lol:

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Robbrez wrote:
i think im going to be picking up the d3000 friday and see how it goes..i have held them all and the nikon feels the best..also since it is my first DSLR the new guide mode on it should help me out to learn...from what i have learned this is a great beginner camera

Now that's the right answer!
In the end, it has to function in your hands... congrats on making a good choice.

There is an excellent AMPHOTO book (old, but still a great basic guide and not expensive on Amazon) called "Understanding Exposure" that may prove helpful, after you get tired of running in auto or beginner mode.


thanks i am going to need all the help i can get..i have a couple friends that will be teaching me..i am going to stop using the guide mode as soon as i understand everything but from what i hear the guide mode is great on this camera

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Anyhow, what I really want is at the other end of the spectrum. But I don't think Santa's gonna be this nice to me, not after he had to shell out for a new engine:

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what exactly would this lens be used for? and what makes it different from the 18-55 that comes with my camera

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Glad to see you chose one!! :D

Can't wait to see some pics... I didn't have time to poke around but check youtube as well... a lot of good tutorials on the basics of most cameras on there. Some good ones on the basics of taking shots as well...

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Robrez, at 14-24 it's slightly wider angle than the 'kit' lens that comes with the camera. It's only 4mm, but at the wider angles, it makes a big difference. Whereas with a telephoto, 4mm makes almost no noticeable difference (200mm vs 210mm for instance). Otherwise you have to "zoom with your feet" (just make sure there's not a cliff behind you as you back up).
Don't worry about it... you'll know when you're in need of a new lens... until then, take lots of photos.

You could take some time digging around through
http://www.photo.net
(where you can read about the flame wars between the Nikon and Canon fanciers, which are funny, especially when the Leica and Hasselblad folks jump into the fray)

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Robbrez, the lens question is actually more complicated than just the numbers. I'm greatly oversimplifying, but there are two main sensor sizes for DSLRs. Nikon calls them DX and FX. When I say sensor size, I mean physical size, not megapixels. So there are two different types of lenses, FX and DX (if a lens doesn't say DX, it's an FX). With the DX sensors like the one in the D3000, the field of view of any lense is smaller because the sensor is smaller. The difference is about 1.5 times. So on a DX camera, that 18-55 lens is equivalent to a 27-82.5mm lens on FX. Neither format is "better," but it helps to know the difference. All of this is a long way of saying that 14mm on a DX camera like the D3000 is not nearly as wide as it is on an FX camera. And the 14-24 is made for FX. So it's much, much wider on an FX camera than an 18 mm is on a DX camera, despite the small difference in numbers. On top of that, the 14-24 has better low-light capability and depth of field because it has a maximum aperture of 2.8 throughout the whole 14-24 zoom range. Whereas the max aperture on the 18-55 ranges from 3.5 to 5.6. So that 14-24 costs about 11 times as much. All of this is probably much more than you were looking for, but it'll make sense someday.


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Robbrez, the lens question is actually more complicated than just the numbers. I'm greatly oversimplifying, but there are two main sensor sizes for DSLRs. Nikon calls them DX and FX. When I say sensor size, I mean physical size, not megapixels. So there are two different types of lenses, FX and DX (if a lens doesn't say DX, it's an FX). With the DX sensors like the one in the D3000, the field of view of any lense is smaller because the sensor is smaller. The difference is about 1.5 times. So on a DX camera, that 18-55 lens is equivalent to a 27-82.5mm lens on FX. Neither format is "better," but it helps to know the difference. All of this is a long way of saying that 14mm on a DX camera like the D3000 is not nearly as wide as it is on an FX camera. And the 14-24 is made for FX. So it's much, much wider on an FX camera than an 18 mm is on a DX camera, despite the small difference in numbers. On top of that, the 14-24 has better low-light capability and depth of field because it has a maximum aperture of 2.8 throughout the whole 14-24 zoom range. Whereas the max aperture on the 18-55 ranges from 3.5 to 5.6. So that 14-24 costs about 11 times as much. All of this is probably much more than you were looking for, but it'll make sense someday.


thanks for that it will hopefully make more sense as i start to take pictures :lol:

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