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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:17 am 
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I've decided that over time I want to build my '04 KJ into an "overland adventure" Jeep that I can take on extended 4x4 camping trips while still keeping it suitable it for shorter local trips too.

Before I get into outfitting the Jeep with the equipment needed for extended trips like GPS, storage, communications, etc. I'd like to do all I can mechanically to the KJ to make it as reliable as possible. This includes engine, drive train, suspension, electrical, etc... Things like transmission, wheel bearings, axles, CVs, drive shafts and the like.

What would you all recommend for things to replace, check, upgrade, swap-out, etc to make a KJ with 114k miles on it as mechanically sound as possible?

For those of you in the SoCal area, is there a particular shop you know of that can handle all of the work a KJ might need to make it ready for overlanding? I've been to AllJ in Big Bear for my lift install and boulder bars so I was thinking they'd be a good place to start for the stuff I can't do at home myself.

Thanks to all for your input!

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What exactly is a "long trip"?

Just curious....

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Well, for me and my schedule a long trip is 4 days to a week or more. Durangotang, I liked your post about your 200 mile trip, really great pictures...

And I'm onto expeditionportal.com already and love the site, your right Inc... really good info, I'm just looking for some KJ specific suggestions here on this site about mechanics more than expedition stuff for now.

Thanks!

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Weeeeeellllllll....

Start with the handful of things that can instantly end your forward mobility:

-Upper control arms
-Lower ball joints
-CV's
-Front Driveshaft
-Front Diff

-Rear "boomerang" ball joint

It's easy to carry spares of most of the non-bold stuff. The bold items are ones that are pretty inconvenient to carry spares for. You can get around this by learning the proper procedure to convert your KJ to 2WD if a bold item breaks on the trail. Really, if much else breaks you can limp out (excluding HUGE failures :shock: )

Other than that make sure you have spare fluids, RTV, duct tape, and peanut butter :D

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My biggest concern w/ that kind of mileage would be valve train failures. Not much you can do about that on a long trip though so just don't travel alone so there is someone that can tow you out of an area should you encounter a failure.

Mechanically you just need to make sure everything that could fail is up to snuff. Front axle shafts, front and rear driveshaft (cv or u-joints), front upper and lower and rear ball joints, hub bearing assy's, cooling system, etc. should all probably Not be original 100K+ mile parts. I'd not feel comfortable venturing too far off the road for an extended period w/out most of those parts being recently inspected/serviced or replaced.

Any spare parts you do carry you will need to know how to fix on your own on the side of a dirt road and also have all the tools to do so. You need to learn how to do common repairs so that you will be prepared. While I would suggest All J's for parts sourcing/mods I'd not suggest you go to them for installation of anything that you could/should do on your own. You should have the tools and knowledge to remove and replace a complete lift, upper and lower control arms, shocks, driveshafts, ball joints, etc. Best way to get that knowledge is to do it all yourself.

Maybe it is nearing time for a maintenance/mod/replacement party up in the High Desert?

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 Post subject: Good info...
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That's the kind of information I'm looking for. I figure I need to get the mechanics out of the way before getting into the other stuff so I think one by one I'm going to repair/replace the suggested items (those that haven't been already) and do as much of the work as I can. I have a fairly mechanical background, my dad used to build cars for the dry lakes in the 50's and I have a brother who's been a mechanic since he was 13 and they've taught me a lot. I even bought the Chrysler KJ manuals.

For the valve train, would it be enough to have a valve job done or would I be wise to do all of the components as long as it's apart? I need to pour over my receipts to remember what has been replaced when (like the radiator) but I know most of the suspension components I'll need to do myself.

A Jeep wrenching party sounds great! I have a decent set of tools and am never shy about buying any that I need. :D I'm going to begin collecting the needed parts today, ordering A-Arms from JBA and I'm confident I can install those myself. I should look at the other components JBA sells before I call PA.!

Thanks for the great advice...keep it coming! Love this website! I'm sure I'll have a lot more questions as this tread progresses.

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Marlin at JBA sells a lot of nice "upgrades" for the KJ :twisted: :twisted:

*Warning* A phone call to Marlin could hurt your bank account.... You may end up with a lift or more buy the time you are done :shock:

It's a good thing he doesn't have more for the KK, otherwise I'd really be broke :twisted:

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Diggerfreek wrote:
Marlin at JBA sells a lot of nice "upgrades" for the KJ :twisted: :twisted:

*Warning* A phone call to Marlin could hurt your bank account.... :






aint that the truth......... :shock:

That Marlin is a great guy.

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If I were to ever make a liberty an overland type rig it would have to be a CRD. With tons of gear and bigger tires Id be afraid of going out 100miles or less. Im assuming youll be packing some jerry cans of fuel.

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If I were to ever make a liberty an overland type rig it would have to be a CRD. With tons of gear and bigger tires Id be afraid of going out 100miles or less. Im assuming youll be packing some jerry cans of fuel.


ur right A crd would be a better choice. deisel engines are known to last longer and get better MPG. Also in general there are fewer things that can go wrong, like there are no spark plug, plug wires, distributors or coil pack to fail. Diesel fuel is also not as volitile as gas so carrying gerry cans of diesel would in theory be safer.

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If I were to ever make a liberty an overland type rig it would have to be a CRD. With tons of gear and bigger tires Id be afraid of going out 100miles or less. Im assuming youll be packing some jerry cans of fuel.


ur right A crd would be a better choice. deisel engines are known to last longer and get better MPG. Also in general there are fewer things that can go wrong, like there are no spark plug, plug wires, distributors or coil pack to fail. Diesel fuel is also not as volitile as gas so carrying gerry cans of diesel would in theory be safer.


Every thing you said is true...how ever the KJ CRD is a little more picky :wink:

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If I were to ever make a liberty an overland type rig it would have to be a CRD. With tons of gear and bigger tires Id be afraid of going out 100miles or less. Im assuming youll be packing some jerry cans of fuel.


Your right A crd would be a better choice. Diesel engines are known to last longer and get better MPG. Also in general there are fewer things that can go wrong, like there are no spark plug, plug wires, distributors or coil pack to fail. Diesel fuel is also not as volatile as gas so carrying gerry cans of diesel would in theory be safer.


Biodiesel would be even safer :!:

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digger you may be right the CRD has other issues too. It's almost a trade off but I woul rather build it from a CRD..... maybe that's because I have one I'm kind of partial to it.

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digger you may be right the CRD has other issues too. It's almost a trade off but I woul rather build it from a CRD..... maybe that's because I have one I'm kind of partial to it.


Don't get me wrong, I love diesels and I'm starting to like the KJ CRD..... At least you can hear the turbo spool on it unlike my mom's Jetta TDI :roll:

Now if only they would sell the KK CRD in the states :twisted:

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yeah I hear you over seas they get all sorts of cars we can only either only dream of or drool over. All those regulations on safety, emmisions and who knows what else CARB included in that keeps alot of diesels and many other great vehicles off our roads

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a big issue for the kj in oerlanding is the MPG. in expeditionportal, you can find toyotas and land rover's that can get 18 - 20 with all gear up. i have the idea too to build the kj for overlanding. starting with a roof tent.

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I’ve made several expeditions, all have been in NM, AZ, UT, and CO. Most of my expeditons have been between one - two weeks long. However; just to clarify, I haven’t made any trips in the KJ. Speaking from experience, here are some of the challenges that I think you could face. I have also listed random thoughts that came to me while thinking about the KJ.

Make sure your cooling system is up to par. Not in my own personal rig, but overheating is something I’ve seen on more than one occasion. Add extra transmission coolers, oil coolers, etc. as needed.

An oil by-pass system is overkill, but it does allow for better filtration while increasing your oil capacity. More oil could equate to more cooling potential.

Make sure the alternator is tested, battery is tested, and the serpentine belt is good.

If you have an automatic, then you might look into a temperature gauge for the transmission.

Change your PLUGS. It’s probably overkill, but I change mine every 25,000 miles.

Run a quick scan on the KJ just to make sure there aren’t any soft codes. This simple test may help you identify sub problems before they turn into big problems

I use top notch synthetic oil, gear lubes, and fluids for everything. (differentials, engine oil, transfer case, transmission, power steering, coolant, and brake fluid). It’s just a mental thing for me. I brainwash myself into believing that my vehicle is better protected when all fluids have been recently changed.

Make sure you have a good air filter that flows well but blocks out harmful particulates. I would suggest maybe adding the LTT true cold air intake. The LTT will still flow small amounts of cold air from the front grill even at low speeds. Most expeditons require low speed driving for great lengths of time.

I highly recommend installing backup lights on the KJ.

I highly recommend installing long range lights on the front of the KJ

I recommend aftermarket front and rear bumpers, but that is not a requirement. A front and rear bumper will increase approach angles and give you a place to put a winch and/or gas can carrier.

I’ve never had a locker but always wished I had one. So I’m adding front and rear lockers to my KJ. I know that lockers and winches are sometimes considered luxury items in the off-road business, but they are nice to have when nature demands it.

Onboard air is a must. Most would agree that a 5 lb - 10 lb CO2 bottle is plenty, but some may prefer a larger bottle (with appropriate regulator) to run power tools.

A sturdy roof rack (rails) and basket is a must if you plan to carry gear in that location. The factory roof rails are “vulnerable” to breakage when the KJ‘s unibody is under stress (such as flexing).

I would consider regearing if you’re going to run a 30.5” tire or taller. 4:10’s are available for the KJ and regearing will help bring you closer back to stock specifications.

Often neglected, but very important to change is the PCV valve. Some would say it’s overkill, but I change mine every 20,000 miles.

Most expeditions aren’t too technical. I’ve always had a basic 3” lift with 31” tires. Like mentioned before, make sure your suspension parts are in good working order. (Check for loose parts, warn parts, shocks, struts, CV’s, ball joints, etc)

Be sure that you carrying enough fuel. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to refill out on the trail, especially in the rural parts of America where gas stations are few, far, and in-between.

Make sure you have fairly new tires that are designed for your terrain, and in good condition.

Be prepared for weather. Downpours can stop travel pretty quickly. I’ve seen nice dirt roads turn into clay so quickly that wheel wells were stuffed in a matter of minutes.

I’ve never had a winch, but I sure could have used it on more than one occasion. I would feel much better with one. As a matter of fact, my KJ now has a winch.

I know skid plates seem to be a given, but I’m amazed by how many who don’t have them.

This might sound a little overboard, but make sure you have a good exhaust system. A good free flowing exhaust will help reduce engine temperatures, free up a little horsepower, and also keep your pipes a little cooler. I guess I’ve heard too many stories of grass fires that were ignited by hot exhaust parts.

And this can’t be stressed enough….but carry enough food and water.

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Hey dieselenthusiast that's just the kind of info I'm looking for! Thanks very much. Some of the items I already have, some others are "on the list" but there are more than a few that are "oh yeah..." items that I hadn't thought of.

I know the KJ isn't the ideal platform for this type of travel but right now it's the closest thing I have to getting to do what I want to do...get out there!

Thanks again to the LOST Jeepers for great info, and of course...keep it coming!

My basic plan thus far:
1. repair/replace everything I that needs to be (within reason).
2. build the "mission critical systems" for extreme use, cooling, electrical, lubrication, suspension, drive-train, etc.
3. add storage systems, fuel/water carriers, lighting, recovery equipment and the like.
4. add electronics systems for navigation, communications and maybe satellite internet...?

Of course I may jump between numbers as needed but we'll see.

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I have no idea of the cost but what about "SPOT"? If you were in the middle of nowhere and had an emergency it shows exactly where you are at all times. Someone watching your movements could also be handy that way.

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