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 Post subject: Small lift/bigger tires?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:59 pm 
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Hello all,
This is my first post, but I have searched around alot on this site the last few days. First off, this site is a great source of information. I have a 2006 4x4 Renegade that I am purchasing new tires for and was considering a small lift as well. I have multiple questions on this that I couldn't find answers for, but sorry if they have already been asked. I am new to trucks but modified many compact sport cars. I started off wanting to just add bigger tires but soon found out on here that you cant go much bigger without a lift. I dont go off road... I only have in very rare circumstances...this is strickly for looks.
I just want to fit a big enough tire so that it gives the jeep a little different look from stock, but still noticable. I read that the biggest I can go is 245/70/16. Will this give me that look that I want?
Also, If I were to do a lift, I just want something small. The smallest lift I see is 2". I need to still be able to fit this jeep in a standard hight garage so i am concerned about something that will add too much height. The kit used all stock shock and springs, which to me seams like a very bad idea. I know from modifying vehicles in the past that changing to a high performance part or making a big change puts stress on other parts and casues problems...so one modification ends up being five or six in the long run.
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Weeeeellllllllll.....

First of all, welcome aboard.

As for your "little lift"... I'd start with the easy one. Do a clevis lift up front and add isolator pads to the rear. That costs practically nothign and may give you the look you're after. And yes, 245/70's are as big as you'll be able to go without a significant lift. Get some AT or MT's and it'll look much better IMHO.

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http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=168

Isolators are the pads that your rear coil spring sits on... they are a mopar part. Check http://www.moparpartsamerica.com.... they should be 12 each or so.

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Welcome to the forum! and im glad you like us already :lol: . Well to start out the 245/70's wont really give you want you want. even though they are bigger tires, they are only bigger over stock by about an inch. As for the lift...a real simple way of lifting with a small budget is probably to go with the Daystar spacer lift. Alot of people are going to argue this to wether its a good idea or bad idea. But I had the Daystar kit on when I first lifted my jeep and it was pretty much amazing, It gave me the looks I wanted plus some more ground clearance. And I could definatly fit 31x10.5x15 tires. But people say when you put on a daystar is speeds up the "sagging" process of the springs, the springs are only rated till like 30K or so and then they start to go bad, and the daystar makes that sagging process go fast, which personally I think is total poo. I put my daystar on at 49K, and then I finally upgraded to OME rear springs at 70K and I still have my front daystar spacer and still no sagging yet and im at 73K. With this kit I also had to get new rear shocks and front struts, THESE ARE A MUST if you are going to lift. There are different types of spacer lifts out there for the liberty, I cant really think of all them at this time, plus there are a bunch of coil lifts like the skyjacker, rough country, and Old man Emu (OME). Everyone on here is going to argue that you should go straight to the OME front and rear coils automatically and drop close to 600-700$ right off the back, But the Daystar kit is only about 160-ish, plus new struts and shocks are about 100 for the rear (pair), and 150-ish for the struts (pair), my numbers might be alittle off. But overall total that puts you about 450$.

Now onto tires....theres a question you first want to ask yourself, "Do I want to keep my stock wheels or do I want to go with a aftermarket wheel??" If you are going to keep your stock wheel you have some limits to how wide you can go with a tire bc of the backspacing on the wheels, unless if you add some 1.25" spacers to the stock wheels then you could fit a wide tire (nothing over 10.5" though). But with the height you could possibly be able to fit 32's but thats pushing it, by alot. NOW if you are wanting to go the aftermarket wheel way then id suggest looking into cragars or another type of steel wheel, but you will have to watch bc some 15" wheels wont fit over the break calipers (for example 15" alloy wheels wont fit). With a 15" aftermarket wheel you want something with 3.75"-4.5" backspacing, this will push the tire out alowing you to fit wider tires. There are many different sizes you can get with aftermarket wheels. Just go to www.tirerack.com and look at different tires and a style that you might want and then go to the specs of the tires and it shows you what the sizes are.

I hope this isnt too much to take in at once!

If theres anymore questions feel free to ask!!!

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TOTAL POO ??????

now thats FUNNY!


650 gets you a OME lift with new springs theothers are crap lifts with same as stock ratings

I will not argue the rest because its already been argued to death

To the OP read through the tons of posts where ones have argued the point only to finally go the OME route :wink:

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I guess my major concern is that lifting the vehicle, even with the best possible shocks and springs will cause other components to wear faster or fail because of the added stress.
I know this is the case with lowering cars and adding all the stiffening components to the suspension. The rest of the components are not built up to task from the manufacture and they break because the suspension has been changed and is now very stiff which the rest of the components are not designed to withstand.
Have you guys noticed any problems with cv joints, ball joints, axels, or anything else becoming more susceptable to failure since lifting the Jeep with aftermarket components?


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I was hoping you would have said something Tom :wink: :lol:

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RE: additional wear and tear due to lift
Heres my thoughts and my story
Mine has been lifted over 100,000 miles so far. To date I have had to 1) replace rear ujoints ( regular wear item)
2) right side CV at 99,000 on the lift , I consider it a regular wear item as well, lift may have caused it but??? 3) lower ball joints ( again regular wear item 4) replaced the upper control arms with over 70,000 lifted miles on them, they were still good, just got a deal on some JBA 4.5s.
So has the lift caused additional wear, maybe a little but its also the way you treat it and take care of it

If I had to do it all over mine would of been lifted with 100 miles on it instaed of waiting, better ride, better handeling , way cool looks !

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Welcome aboard! Being so close to Oceano Dunes State Vehicular Recreation Area, I would think you would want to put the widest flotation tires that will fit. A standard garage door height is 7 feet. Lots of room to work with. I'm about to lift mine under the watchful eyes of all these guys here. My 06 Renegade will fit with no problems in my garage.

http://www.beachcalifornia.com/oceano-dunes-vehicular-beach.html


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If I had to do it all over mine would of been lifted with 100 miles on it i
nstaed of waiting, better ride, better handeling , way cool looks !


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Thanks guys for all the advice and help!

Tom, yeah that stuff sounds like normal wear and tear for how many miles you have on it. Thats good. Im thinking trucks/suvs dont have as much of a problem with mods since the parts are more beefy to begin with.

candpliberty, thanks for the link to that beach. Im definitly gonna check that out when I get new tires! I cant surf or snowboard since I just had hip reconstructive surgery, so cruizin in the jeep can take up that time. and no better place to do that than a beautiful beach!


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The day I went the wind was blowing about 30-40 mph from the sea. The sand was like a sand blaster and made the day miserable so we didn't cruise the beach but we plan on going back.


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surfRenegade wrote:

Tom, yeah that stuff sounds like normal wear and tear for how many miles you have on it. Thats good. Im thinking trucks/suvs dont have as much of a problem with mods since the parts are more beefy to begin with.



First welcome.
Second, to kind of restate the quote above....most SUV's/Light truck nowadays are not designed beefier IMO, they are built for comfort. I have a 99 Tahoe, rides very smooth, so much better than my wife's stock Libby. As soon as I go cranking the torsion bars, adding lift here and there, parts start wearing faster. Tom seems to be a lucky one, many others will post on here how parts started breaking/needing replaced soon after lift and tires.
Tom is called "Reverand Mudd" on here.... for a reason, he's been around the block and is usually right when it comes to lifting. The OME springs are the best for the Libbys on the market, but there is alternatives. It will net you 2-3" of lift, then add some larger tires for little more lift. I was going to lift my wife's Libby, but it will not go offroad and she is only 5' tall so not worth it for her. I actually have an almost complete Daystar I'm going to sell cause we decided no lift for her. You can get an inch or so with a clevis lift and rear isolators like mentions, see how that works for ya, then you can always save your $$$ and upgrade to OME.
Do searching ( even though the search system on this site sucks!!), there is tons of info on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:57 am 
U relly dont want to put bigger tires on with a smaller lift u want the opesit. i have had lots of trucks over the years and u never want to go with thebigest tire they say u can fit becuase it usuly winds up being a big mistake and u get rubbing all over ur wheel wells and suspension parts.

i got almost 4' of lift with my franklinlift and my tires are 245 75 r 16 e bf goodwrench all tereins. i cold of gotten 285s to fit but then wen it gets weeled it wold tare the fenders off and i woldnt be able to turn!

BUT BOY IT SHORE WOLD LOOK GOOD!!!!!!!!


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Hi
Can anyone help me locate the isolator pads on the mopar website? I've ran numerous searches but cannot locate.
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 Post subject: Re: Small lift/bigger tires?
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I know this post is old but I just got cash to purchase my tires.
Can I run the 245/70/16 without doing the clevis lift and not having rubbing issues.
I had reconstructive hip surgery and still on crutches so I cant wrench on the Jeep to do that stuff for a while
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Probably. If you're using stock rims most tires should fit I believe. I was running stock renegade wheels at this size and had no issues besides getting within about 3/8" from the front of the wheel well at full lock. Which is great. I suppose your plastic might be slightly different than mine, but you can heat it up, push it out of the way, and hold it while it cools. That should be the most you'll have to mod, if anything, for that size with stock wheels.

That size will not look much different, and I definitely wouldn't use it with a lift, as it will make your tires look SMALLER. 245/70-R16 is about 1/4" taller than 225/75-R16 and about 3/4" wider. Not big enough to look right with a lift. I had mine on with the lift for about 2 months while I let the lift break in, and man did they look lame.

They'll look a little better than the 225/75's with the stock height, but nobody is going to notice more than likely.

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 Post subject: Re: Small lift/bigger tires?
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surfRenegade wrote:
I know this post is old but I just got cash to purchase my tires.
Can I run the 245/70/16 without doing the clevis lift and not having rubbing issues.
I had reconstructive hip surgery and still on crutches so I cant wrench on the Jeep to do that stuff for a while
Thanks Again!
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Very simple answer is Yes you can run 245-70s with no lift or doing anything. Mine came with 235-70s from the factory, switched to 245-70s as soon as I could and it made a huge difference in ride and handeling. ( Had the Firestone Destination ATs great DD tire for sure

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Thanks Tom! Placing my order now! :P

Thanks Boiler, I think its going to be a while before I get a lift though. I decided if Im going to do it I want to do it right the first time around so that means i need some more cash. Ive ridden in cars with cheapo suspension changes and it felt horrible. I imagine the same holds true for jeeps. and from what i read ,with a few exceptions here and there, people seam to agree


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meh...i ended up holding off on my order.
I have enough cash to do the Daystar lift and get tires.
Im thining since I dont off road -- maybe like twice ever -- then this may be fine for a posure like me.
decisions...decisions. I just dont want a bunch of future problems like I have had with other modified vehicles ive had.
Plus it looks like these Daystar kits are super easy to install even being on my crutches.
Im starting to think since i will need an alignment with new tires it may be good to do this all at once.


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Daystar easier ? not really you still have to compress the springs etc to put everything together.
Cheaper? Not really since what you pay for the kit you could buy a pair of new sprungs
Also even if you are doing the Daystar you need new shocks all the way around. Also bumpstops more so on a spacer than a full spring So basically you just spending 160/170 more for another pair of springs and then you have a full spring lift
As far as installing them on your crutches, you have to R&R the same stuff no matter if you do a Daystar or full spring, one is no easier than the other

Its not so much about going off road, its about UPGRADING the suspension to ride better, handle better and last much longer, none of which you get with a spacer type lift

just my :2cents: but over time you'll see what I mean

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