bottom line what i was trying to say was that i believe that it should be the drivers option and not a law to wear a seatbelt
like stated above schoolbus motorcycles etc. all dont have seatbelts and not many of you cant tell me you have never ridden in the back of a pickup truck


And yes i have been on many wreaks from driving a tow truck and picking up cars for the police dpartment and driving for the local fire/rescue service
I've seen MORE than my share of accidents....i also have been IN my share of accidents and can tell you that from a personal experianced i have been hurt 2 folds more everytime i was belted in to a car during an accident...

Now dont get me wrong there is a time and place for everything ....I wont be running around a racetrack at 100+ MPH anytime soon without a belt on but the differance is the 4+ point harness vs. the crossbody decapitation belt that modern car manufactures use..


all of that aside : you can get the results of a test to lean in the favor the pros or the con of ANY argument ...and this one is no different...

Again I believe it should be the drivers option to wear or not wear


Not trying to start anything just having a freindly discussion here
please no one take offense.......

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None taken here Repoman.

That's the way I feel, it should be a choice.

My aunt & uncle wrapped their car around a utility pole and thankfully they were drunk and not wearing a seat belt at the time. The EMT guy said if they were either sober or had a seat belt on they would not have made it. I know in some instances seat belt save ya, but they also can hurt you.

Cops should be more after the speeders, the people running stop signs and red lights, drunk drivers, people texting while driving, etc, rather than harassing a driver because they don't have a seat belt on.

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When I drive, I wear my seat belt. But one thing I can not stand is having the seat belt alarm go off if I drive with my laptop sitting on the passengers seat. I don't text or email when I drive, but don't you think the load sensor in the seat is too sensitive when a Lenovo T60 laptop sets off the alarm. I buckle the passengers seat belt to over ride this very Stupid Government Mandated Engineering. Reminds me of the Ralph Nader designed mid 90s Air Bags that killed people weighing less than 165 Lbs.

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That sensor is there because they think you have an infant or child, and are warning you to put them in the back.

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I was taught to always wear my seat belt, and I always will. Out of habit, I always put my seat belt on even before I start the car. And even after my belt is on and start to get the car going, subconsciously I reach to put it on again. If for whatever reason, on the rare occasion I don't have it on, I get this feeling I am going to fall out of the car, even though I know that is physically impossible. I've had this argument before with one of my closest friends, still refuses to wear it. His Scion TC does the whole beeping thing, and will beep for like five minutes before it turns off, and he drives like that, truly annoying. Now, I have disabled the chime in the Jeep, just for fun, that little red light still annoys me.

And if you don't believe the whole seat belt saves lives, I'm sorry.

Here is a case in which it didn't necessarily save a life (but would've been if I had been going faster) .. I'm driving a loaner Jeep from the dealer, I pick up my friend from his friends house, they've been drinking, I was just getting out of work. He gets in, we just start hanging out, whatever.. I'm driving down the road at like 30 mph or so, and all of a sudden a car SWERVES in front of me.. I couldn't change lanes, so I slam on the brakes.. Turns out, my friend isn't wearing his seat belt. Gets thrown into the windshield..



That was caused by my friends head. He didn't even remember it had happened, I had to pull over to keep him awake, he kept saying, 'I'm good, I just want to sleep." I wasn't going to let him do that, so I had to stay with him for another three hours to keep him up. Eventually I had to go to sleep myself. Clearly he had a concussion, not to mention a huge bump on his head.

Ultimately if he had his seat belt on, none of that would've happened, we both would've been like , "whoa, what a jerk" to the guy that cut in front of me, and that would've been it.

Ok, that's it. Time to go ..

Good luck to everyone.

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Nice JK in the background.

It isn't a free choice when we have to pay for your vegetative state in a hospital because you didn't wear one.
Yes, there are times when a seatbelt might have been worse than better, but the majority of the time, the seatbelt saves lives. Also, there is no guarantee that whomever told her that wearing the seatbelt would have cost her her life.

My life was saved by wearing a seatbelt when I fell asleep at the wheel and slammed into a tree. It was a `78 Monte Carlo so no airbags. I was dazed and was trying to throw the car into park. There was a fire that started and was coming up from the hood by the windshield. I tried to get out of the car by my door but it was stuck. I had to exit out the passenger door. I sat on the front porch of the house where I slammed into their tree next to the road. By the time the fire department arrived, the flames were in the back seat. I only suffered a bite on the tongue. If I had no seatbelt on, I would've been unconscious and burnt to a crisp.

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Imagine if you were on a motor cycle, then you'd be in a vegetative state or dead and no helmet in the world would have saved you. So if seat belts are so great in a vehicle that is surrounded by metal, and the Government is doing us a favor by forcing us to use them, than the Government should do us a even bigger favor and act fast to save our lives by banning motor cycles.

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I guess with that type of thinking, bicycles, big wheels, skateboards, inline skates, scooters, cars, SUV's, vans, and pickups should all be banned because a semi provides greater protection and can cause more damage to smaller vehicles.

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You can protect some of the people some of the time. But not all the people all the time.
I've been hit on a motorcycle, didn't hit my head but the police asked to check the helmet.
I've been hit on a large farm tractor with a chase vehicle with hazards on,tractor was older and no rops,
I was flipped over 1 and 1/2 times, I was wearing a logging helmet that scrapped the black top,but saved me from head injuries. I have permanent leg injuries from both accidents,but I'm still here. Tractor is not, bike is still have it and ride it,with a helmet.

How in the world do you flip 11 times on a large farm tractor?

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Anti gravity device he was pulling.

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That was 1 and 1/2 times and no seat belt! Rear wheels have weight in them and had box scrapper on too. Was going to wood lot to load wood with front loader so had counter balance. So inertia did play a part of flipping. And Burke I'm not a guy!
I fixed other post, sorry I'm at work and hurried to much.

Who's Burke??

Burke Reynolds??

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Haha, good eye, thats actually the RIPP Mods Wrangler they had.

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Sorry! I think I had heat stroke. Was 80 here, and I worked outside only came in for breaks. So I may have fried whats left of my brain.

Hey now!!!!!!Let's leave skateboards out of this.

If I have to wear a seatbelt on my board I'm gonna be pissed.

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Went to the layout for the 17 yr old son of my coworker tonight.... no seatbelt, Drinking & driving..... that was a rough one!

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not to mention i have had 2 friends die because of no seat belt and drinking and driving...which is why to this day i still dont drink, and i wear a seat belt all the time, even when i am pulling a stump out of my lawn.

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For the non beleivers in wearing seat belts.. If anyone here has ever dirven a Dragster down the 1/4 mile at 229 mph, lost control, due to a blown rear and relied on the roll cage and a five point harness to keep you in? As an ex race car driver Seat belts will save your life. Beleive in it. Wear them, make your friends wear them, Children, entire family. If you dont like it get use to it and force yourself to wear it. It will be more painfull if you dont. Trust me

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