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geordi · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:34 pm

I've owned something close in the USA to the Scorpio that you had - a 93 Taurus with the 3.0 V6 engine. The same engine was used in the Escort (the closest comparison) while the Escort / Scorpio never got the 3.6 SHO engine. They all were front-wheel-drive only here.

As for the performance however... I know where the top end of that engine is. It is far above the 85mph (125 kph?) that the speedometer would read, but was only about 110mph. As for the acceleration performance, either from a standing start or passing-lane performance... NO. That 3.0 engine SUCKED. 0-60mph was a sad 10+ seconds. Passing gear on the highway, you better hope you have a lot of room to wait for the slooooooow power build up.

Comparing the acceleration of any naturally-aspirated 4 cylinder engine to a turbocharged 4 cylinder is comparing apples and chairs. There is no comparison.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but the simple fact is that the CRD is always faster and more powerful than any naturally aspirated 4-cyl petrol because of the simple fact - It passes more air, so it makes more power. Gearing can make that power be used for high speed (VW TDI) or high acceleration (Audi racing TDI) or fast performance and low-end grunt (CRD with a 4wd low range transfer case).

In the USA, we don't have that many options for diesels, but for all the vehicles I have personally owned and driven... This CRD is solidly in the pack with the V8 Lincoln Mark VII sports car and I-4 VW Jetta TDI.

You sure your CRD is working properly, that both the MAP sensors (airbox and intake) and the MAF is working? Without these sensors reporting good information, your CRD will QUICKLY start to suffer in performance.

boilermaker2 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:07 pm

jinstall wrote:

Life begins at 120 in a KJ CRD.

And ends just as quickly :wink:

geordi · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:26 pm

boilermaker2 wrote:

jinstall wrote:

Life begins at 120 in a KJ CRD.

And ends just as quickly :wink:

Only if you get caught. :pepper:

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:46 pm

boilermaker2 wrote:

jinstall wrote:

Life begins at 120 in a KJ CRD.

And ends just as quickly :wink:

I only get worried after I pass 150. 170 things get interesting real quick.

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:47 pm

geordi wrote:

boilermaker2 wrote:

jinstall wrote:

Life begins at 120 in a KJ CRD.

And ends just as quickly :wink:

Only if you get caught. :pepper:

Gotta love unrestricted autobahns.

BiodieselJeep.com · **Posted:** Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:08 pm

Racetracer: I've been in CT a while now...just where do you pull 120 on a highway in CT? Not Route 8! Or are you taking it to Lime Rock?

racertracer · **Posted:** Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:25 am

I plead the fifth.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:02 pm

WOW 120 in a libby!!!!! I haven't had mine over 90... not that it feels like it can't.... its my baby and well I don't want to pay a HUGE ticket and loose my ability to drive with the laws blessing.

racertracer · **Posted:** Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:28 pm

Find a good open road and gun it, it doesn't take much time to reach the end of the speedometer.

If your turbo is clean and doesn't hang up then you're good to go.

Most of you who don't flush out your turbos, will allow them to get gummed up with carbon build up and will eventually need to be repaired or replaced.

Blow the gunk out.... put the peddle to the metal, this is part of maintenance.

Silverdiesel · **Posted:** Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:20 pm

Last March on I8 in Southern Az late at nite I got 105MPH and it had LOTS more to go but I held off cause even 105 is fast!!

Roland

Silverdiesel · **Posted:** Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:23 pm

I noticed at full throttle 545RFE shifts from 5th to 5th overdrive at 99MPH!!
What other Jeep has a tranny that can do that short of a SRT8 GC?

Roland

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:59 pm

Silverdiesel wrote:

I noticed at full throttle 545RFE shifts from 5th to 5th overdrive at 99MPH!!
What other Jeep has a tranny that can do that short of a SRT8 GC?

Roland

Huh? 5th IS overdrive.

Also the title of this thread should read "flies". Couldn't resist.

Silverdiesel · **Posted:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:27 pm

Yeah that last shift to 5 overdrive- I cant count gears sometimes- but that last shift was at 99MPH....

Roland

CATCRD · **Posted:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:56 pm

I've had mine to the limiter at 108 and never felt that. After about 60mph there physically aren't any gears left in the gearbox. I dunno what you felt.
:?:

racertracer · **Posted:** Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:04 pm

Warp Drive!

WelshCherokeeCRD · **Joined:** Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:57 am **Posts:** 68

OK, for those of you saying anything about the Scorpio...it's not fast. The KJ isn't fast. No variant of either has ever been fast.

But a five speed, light weight saloon is certainly faster than a pig-heavy four wheel drive diesel wagon. Perhaps you blokes have never actually driven anything fast?
Perhaps a Corvette?
A four hundred horsepower Mitsubishi Evolution III?
A Cosworth Escort?

To the gent that said something about Ford using the 3 litre V6 in the Escort...I just checked on Wikipedia and according to that, the apalling OHV 3.0L V6 was never used in the US Escort. Apparently it was used in something Ford called the Tempo, which I can only imagine was a name in jest (assuming you know what Tempo really means). We had some pretty cool Escorts though...Google "Cosworth Escort". I'm a Ford man because of those cars.

DnA Diesel wrote:

Seriously?

Okay, the Mercury Scorpio may be a yawn-mobile (I think shooting myself would be on the option list if I actually had to drive one of those daily; the Merkur XR4Ti was much cooler), but the Libby is...well...a peppy, economical Jeep. It's a 4300 lb, body on frame, truck. If I'm thinking to myself one morning, "gosh, I want to get out and tear around the windy roads and have some fun," the Lib is not what rolls out the driveway -- I'd probably drive something with a "2.8L-equivalent" 247hp/396ft-lb. Although I do concur with your assessment about having to keep the VNT clean with a good crud blow-out once a week. :mrgreen:

Cheers
D

It's a 4,300 pound, unitized body four wheel drive car that can go off road...not a body-on-frame truck. How can you possibly expect to cement your position using such an erroneous statement?

The Merkur Scorpio (sold in the US for one generation, until 1990 or something) is not the same car as the Taurus; not even close. It's a lightweight, rear-wheel-drive saloon. Why did Ford deem the US unworthy for their best everyman's cars?

racertracer · **Posted:** Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:09 am

The engine is a powerhouse no matter what body it's in, it reaches top speed quickly and with determination.

The Libby feels at home while cruising in the 90 to 110 mph, punch it and it flys, and if this jeep were any lighter it would need a landing strip to land and would be labeled a race car.

Here's what some companies are doing with turbo diesel engines.

http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Audi-R10 ... ticle.html

http://www.leftlanenews.com/audis-diese ... -good.html

http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2006 ... ns-respect

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/news/0804 ... index.html

Although VM is not in the speed business, our Turbo Diesels give many non competition performance cars on the road today a run for their money and the future of diesel design holds many more possibilities.

audiboy86 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:10 am

Look i am going to step in that because i have driven alot of fast cars. I mean i own a 1968 327 Camaro and my parents own a John Cooper Works Mini and i would consider those fast cars. And if that doesn't do it for you my father own a 1967 427 Corvette Stingray and a 1970 454 Chevelle SS. All of them original but i promise you the Corvette feels like it wants to lift the wheels off the ground under hard accelertation. And for this jeeps size and wieght it is quick Hot Tune it and good lord it will still light the tires with 31 under it. All while still getting mid-20 MPG find me another SUV that will do that. Also i have passed a many v8 trucks in this thing with them cussing me the whole way. In my book this thing is QUICK even with 31s.

WelshCherokeeCRD · **Joined:** Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:57 am **Posts:** 68

Hey, if you're going to say it's fast...FOR WHAT IT IS...I won't disagree...

But it's fast compared to comparable diesel Discovery Is and IIs and some IIIs, Mitsu Shoguns, Isuzus, etc...not compared to any petrol car with a sporting mission I've driven.

I understand that there are lots of diesels that ARE fast...but association does not a quick vehicle make. That's like saying my Ford is fast because it uses the same fuel as a Bugatti Veyron and nothing more.

Didn't Cummins build a lorry that did over 200 miles per hour? Does that mean all lorries do over 200 miles per hour?

Big Montana · **Posted:** Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:17 pm

WelshCherokeeCRD wrote:

Hey, if you're going to say it's fast...FOR WHAT IT IS...I won't disagree...

But it's fast compared to comparable diesel Discovery Is and IIs and some IIIs, Mitsu Shoguns, Isuzus, etc...not compared to any petrol car with a sporting mission I've driven.

I understand that there are lots of diesels that ARE fast...but association does not a quick vehicle make. That's like saying my Ford is fast because it uses the same fuel as a Bugatti Veyron and nothing more.

Didn't Cummins build a lorry that did over 200 miles per hour? Does that mean all lorries do over 200 miles per hour?

I understand where you're coming from. BUT be aware that we are a bunch of American that don't get these kinds of cars (Jeeps) here too often. We have all horse power and no torque. Diesel will kill you don't you know.

My brother was working on the 2.0L Dodge Diesel Avenger and he got 42 MPG driving to northern Michigan with his trans tune. It's strange that we don't sell that car in America... I guess we can't handle the diesel smoke.

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