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 Post subject: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:55 pm 
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I'm starting to look and I see a few at used car dealers in Toronto for cheap but I'm worried about the maintenance history a bit. I've seen a few at dealers but they seem to want 2-4000$ more for the around the same mileage or less. Basically 8-16,000 is the going price forsale price, not sure what they are actually taking $ wise. I'm looking at one tomorrow (I think its a Diesel) they want 13,700 with under 120,000km.

Suggestions? Anyone from Ontario looking to sell theirs?


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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:37 am 
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PM or email "laplaya". He is in the process of picking up a replacement right now somewhere in Ontario.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:20 pm 
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Ok I'll shoot an email off..

I looked at one today, All red, with dark grey int, Mint condition only 102,000kms on it, Timing belt not done that they know of but he is calling the old owner to ask. One owner and they bought a new truck off them, its a rural Ford dealer.

Clean inside and out, some surface rust when I look under it, no scratches or dents etc, but they want 13,900$ I think that's more then what I want to spend.

Question: What is the diffs between models? I see some with painted fenders, some without, some with a display by the moon roof controls some with out. Can someone link me to an option page or something, I'm trying to compare the different models I'll I know if there is a limited and standard model, but I'm not sure what it comes with. If someone has a link to something that would be great!


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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:42 pm 
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I don't know that I've ever seen an option list even when I bought my original one new. I presume back then you could order a custom build but I think in most cases folks took what was on the lot. Some thoughts though:
1) 05 and 06 are functionally identical except 06 came with stability control so no 06s came with TracLok (e.g. limited slip) as the 2 systems are incompatable. Some 05s had TracLok as an option. I understand you can tell by jacking up the rear end so both tires are off the ground spin one tire if the other side spins the same direction you have Traclock, if they go in opposite direction you don't.
2) very early 05s had a 1s gen torque converter with a plastic part which failed early. It's virtually certain all of those TCs were replaced under warranty but the 2n gen TC (not to be confused with the Euro TC that came out after the end of the 06 model run) that was stock on later 05s and all 06s. Most all 05s and early 06s got the F-37 engine detune at the dealer which reduces HP and torque to baby the 2 gen TC that Jeep was too cheap to properly beef up. All later 06s got the F-37 at the factory. A few luck of savy folks got the F-37 done (it included a TC check and replacement if needed) but were able to have the tech "forget" to flash the ECU. How to tell; if the final gear shift occurs at about 58mph your ECU does not have the F-37 flash but if that shift occurs at about 62mhp it does.
3) there are 2 basic models Sport and Limited. Generally speaking the Sport came with unpainted fender flares, a relatively simple radio, and cloth seats. Generally speaking the Limited came with painted fender flares, a radio upgrade (some with 6CD satellite indash or GPS in dash or cd changer in right side of rear luggage area), and leather seats.
4) given the limited production run in the US what was shipped, especially later on in the run, tended to be "well" equiped so you will see both models with leather seats (some heated presumably all with power adjustment), sun roof, factory hitch with wiring, full skids including fuel tank, trip computer above rear view mirror, etc.
5) you might try a Google search on "2005 jeep liberty crd options" and see what you find. As far as I know except for stability control which took TracLok off the option list the 05 and 06 options were the same
6) some have the aftermarket GDE tune. Keith at GDE can tell you if a vehicle has it based on the VIN but a good hint is when you first crank up, foot off the throttle, an RPM flair to ca. 1,000rpm before dropping to ca. 750 idle is a GDE exclusive.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:03 pm 
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Great info thanks, I think we might have slightly different options here in Canada as for painted fenders, but everything else seems to be online with what we have.

I would like the Limited but condition is really what I'm looking for. Thanks I'll keep you posted in what I find out there.

Oh I did find some nut trying to get 24,000 for his 06
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2006-Jeep-Liberty-CRD-Diesel-W0QQAdIdZ348409104

Going to do another post I'm sure people will get a kick out of this, I told him I would give him 12,000


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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Chuckle. I paid $25,700+tax for my original 05 Sport (16k miles) brand new back in August 05 and replaced it, after a dump truck ate the rear 1/2, with a somewhat better equiped 05 limited (26k miles) in Sept 08 for $16,700+tx. Some folks are really taken with their perception of the value of what they have not to mention the wonderful over hype including the TB change interval which is 100k miles not 100km but heh at least they did it which is better than some. Oh and we got my son's 06 Limited (24k miles) in June of 09 for about the same dollars with slightly more options than my 05 Limited.

I poked around recently for laplaya using Autotrader for a US search. On that basis plus what's passed thru the forum recently a good price for a good vehicle with a good option package, maybe some extra aftermarket goodies, and at about 75K miles seems to be on the order of $13,500. Plus or minus depending on the obvious stuff. That's after ignoring the really cheap potential junkers (nothing against junkers - Sir Sam loves them and I've certainly rebuilt my share over the years) and the wildly optimistic over priced ones. This ad, however, gives new meaning to over priced IMHO but maybe they will find someone willing to pay those $s.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:38 pm 
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I'm about 30mins from the US boarder so I will even look for something close by south of the boarder, but I hate buying something that I can't get detailed pictures of or is off a forum like this where people know the vehicles history etc.

I've just started looking and I would like to have something for May sometime, so lots of time still.

My perfect Jeep is:
-06 Blue/Black (maybe another colour)
-under 150,000km
-Leather, grey colour
-Some good tires
-Moon Roof
-Heated Seats (edit almost forgot)
-Aftermarket stereo, with an iPod adapter
-ECO Tune
-Maybe a 2.5 lift


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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:34 am 
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Cannot speak for Canada prices but FYI I got a good Sony bluetooth radio with a front USB port that accepts iPod or any USB stick plus steering wheel control interface from Crutchfield for right at $250 US.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:34 pm 
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Few more questions, going to look at two more this weekend. Still liking the first one its super mint!

1. Does the tow package have a trans cooler? If so how do I tell, can I see it?
2. Heated seats an option or only come with Limited? (Canadian models)
3. I know about the turbo hoses but what about the air box should I be looking for something in there?
4. Should I unplug the MAF sensor and test it out again?
5. When does the shutter happen as the one I tested was very smooth


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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:48 am 
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1. no
2. option and as far as I know could be on either sport or limited. I suspect but don't know that heated seats only came in leather.
3. airbox to turbo hose can split down by turbo below where CCV hose plugs in and dumps oily vapor. If you have a flashlight you can get a partial look at that area from up top and under neath.'
4. probably not and if you do it will throw a code and light the CEL
5. transmission shudder (IIRC TC springs bottoming) occurs under heavy load uphill in 5th lockup. It's unlikely that you will run into this unless towing a heavy load or having a really hot tune.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:28 pm 
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5.) If you get the shudder in lock-up, you will know it.....it is quite apparent.

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 Post subject: Re: Any good priced Liberty CRD's in Ontario Canada?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:36 pm 
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Ok thanks guys, I found a few I want to look at, going to check them out. I'm mainly looking for over all condition and how much money I need to put into them in the first year, I don't want to spend anything more then a reflash and minor stuff on top of the purchase price. So we will see what I find. I'm looking two that have 175-190,000kms More then I want but about 3000$ less then the 100,000 to 120,000 ones and I still need to get a utility trailer at some point.


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