Air lockers for the front?

Ted15 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:45 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

Ted15 wrote:

KJ Willy has the set up I was thinking about, Detroit locker rear and DTT front. I have select trac. Thanks TJKJ for the info. My biggest concern is that my wife occasionally drives my KK and I have a 14 year old boy who MIGHT drive it in a couple years.

The rear Detriot would be a bad choice if other drive your Jeep and not properly expecting how it reacts.Granted the Detriot locker is by far the best auto locker and the best forgiving on the street,snow,and ice but can be fun to those who do not know it's back there and what happens and how to drive with it.

The wife's motto is slow and steady, I'm not too worried about her. The boy probably won't be driving without me. The issue with a Detroit is powering into corners right? I've never had one but I've been looking and reading about lockers for awhile now.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:48 pm

Yeah when torque is applied they lock so those corners you gotta keep off the gas pedal or get that tire chirp,when slick out the rear end will try and pass the front end.

Ted15 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:51 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

Yeah when torque is applied they lock so those corners you gotta keep off the gas pedal or get that tire chirp,when slick out the rear end will try and pass the front end.

The traction control should take care of that I'd think. I don't like it when I drive but I guess it's ok for the family.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:54 pm

Ted15 wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Yeah when torque is applied they lock so those corners you gotta keep off the gas pedal or get that tire chirp,when slick out the rear end will try and pass the front end.

The traction control should take care of that I'd think. I don't like it when I drive but I guess it's ok for the family.

Traction control will make it worse with a auto locker(not to be confused with a limited slip diff,will not effect those).

Why I have a ARB in the rear,totally open for daily driving and safier winter driving and can fully lock it when I want/need it locked,not when it wants to.

Roastbeef · **Joined:** Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:31 pm **Posts:** 199

tjkj2002 wrote:

Ted15 wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Yeah when torque is applied they lock so those corners you gotta keep off the gas pedal or get that tire chirp,when slick out the rear end will try and pass the front end.

The traction control should take care of that I'd think. I don't like it when I drive but I guess it's ok for the family.

Traction control will make it worse with a auto locker(not to be confused with a limited slip diff,will not effect those).

Why I have a ARB in the rear,totally open for daily driving and safier winter driving and can fully lock it when I want/need it locked,not when it wants to.

How much did the whole rear set up with the arb cost. Will it work for the kk. Same parts or different.

Ted15 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:32 pm

If he still has the stock Chrysler 8 1/4" then it's the same but they make one to fit ours, it's almost $1000.00 plus you'll need onboard air to activate. Definatley the best locker out there but it's also the most expensive.

Ted15 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:45 pm

Here's another way to go. I almost forgot about diggerfreak.
viewtopic.php?f=88&t=66169&p=728256&hilit=Locker#p728256

Roastbeef · **Joined:** Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:31 pm **Posts:** 199

Ted15 wrote:

Here's another way to go. I almost forgot about diggerfreak.
viewtopic.php?f=88&t=66169&p=728256&hilit=Locker#p728256

That's pretty sweet. Did he ever say how it's holding up? How much an improvement it was on hard stuff?

Ted15 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:55 am

Roastbeef wrote:

Ted15 wrote:

Here's another way to go. I almost forgot about diggerfreak.
viewtopic.php?f=88&t=66169&p=728256&hilit=Locker#p728256

That's pretty sweet. Did he ever say how it's holding up? How much an improvement it was on hard stuff?

I was hoping he'd pop in here and let us know but I haven't heard from him in awhile.

lfhoward · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:16 pm

I miss hearing from Diggerfreek on the forum too. Whatever he posted was either super useful or downright hilarious. He was always ready to help people out, even if it meant disassembling his own rig to find out how something works! :JEEPIN:

I bet he'll be back on someday.

Ted15 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:48 pm

Probably got a job that takes all of his time. The rest he uses for wheeling.

Roastbeef · **Joined:** Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:31 pm **Posts:** 199

Ted15 wrote:

Probably got a job that takes all of his time. The rest he uses for wheeling.

Isn't that most of us here

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:37 pm

I didn't know I was missed that much :oops:

Ok now for my :2cents:

I have 12k on my dual DTT and so far I love them. As far as the front goes, you can't even tell it's there under "normal" driving....

I didn't get much time this year to wheel the KK besides MOAB, but I can tell you that ESP activation while wheeling is almost non existent. This coming winter should provide a nice testing ground for the front.

As far as the rear goes: I LOVE IT! Plain and simple. Driving in the city it feels like a open diff and I know this might sound a little strange, but driving on the highway it makes the KK feel more stable in cross winds since I can feel that the rear is "pushing" the KK evenly down the road. I personally like the driving characteristics now better then before it was locked.

Ted15 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:06 am

Well there you are again lol. That's good news. How'd it handle on the trails? Did they work like you thought they would with the traction control?

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:56 am

Ted15 wrote:

Well there you are again lol. That's good news. How'd it handle on the trails? Did they work like you thought they would with the traction control?

They are super smooth on the trail... I think I might have heard the ESP kick in once or twice all day...

Ted15 · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:28 am

Diggerfreek wrote:

Ted15 wrote:

Well there you are again lol. That's good news. How'd it handle on the trails? Did they work like you thought they would with the traction control?

They are super smooth on the trail... I think I might have heard the ESP kick in once or twice all day...

Do you think that 4.10 gears would be enough for 32" tires? I was considering 4.56 w/32's if I could get them to fit, probably 4.10 w/31's if I can't. :JEEPIN:

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:31 pm

email on the way

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:38 pm

personally I would go 4.56.

4.10 puts you back to stock when you up size your tires.... an auto 4.56 KK will be like my 4.10 manual KK. even thought I pull more revs at higher speed, I'm right in the power band when I need it with out pulling 5K in one gear then shifting and having the KK fall flat on its face when I'm in the hills..

jeeplikens · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:13 pm

Ok, after reading all these, I really feel like I've been away too long. I have an 09 that I was thinking of just putting in a limited slip dif in the rear. Right now, if you get a tire off the ground, your screwed if you try to move forward, or backward. I "assumed" (i know, that can be a bad thing) that with a LS in the rear, It was a cheaper way to go and does the same thing as lockers except there is no driver intervention. One thing I'm leery about and that's messing with my drive train. Having the lifetime warranty on the power and drive train, I kind of rather just leave it alone; let the brakes do all the work or just turning around and going back home in defeat. :banghead:

And no, I don't rock climb, or drive in mud up to my wiper blades but even in the snow we get around here, limiting the wheel spin is a good thing. :shock:

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:23 pm

On any normal application, a DTT acts like a LSD.... however with the BLDS system on the KK, the brake in essence turn the DTT in to a locker when one wheel is off the ground. The DTT "locks" itself way sooner then the ESP kicks in when both wheels are on the ground.

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