Rear bumper suggestions for my liberty

KD6ICZ · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:05 am

It really sucks Rock Lizard seems to be flaky... I would love to order a front and rear bumper. The ARB is a little more than what I'm looking for and there are no other decent rear bumper options.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:16 am

KD6ICZ wrote:

It really sucks Rock Lizard seems to be flaky... I would love to order a front and rear bumper. The ARB is a little more than what I'm looking for and there are no other decent rear bumper options.

Rock Lizard takes a long time to get bumpers out the door. If you don't mind waiting, then it's worth the wait, otherwise, don't order.

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

dieselenthusiast wrote:

KD6ICZ wrote:

It really sucks Rock Lizard seems to be flaky... I would love to order a front and rear bumper. The ARB is a little more than what I'm looking for and there are no other decent rear bumper options.

Rock Lizard takes a long time to get bumpers out the door. If you don't mind waiting, then it's worth the wait, otherwise, don't order.

could you be kind to enlighten us on how long does he normally take to get bumpers out the door :?:

my order is approaching 9 months with Rock Lizard and yet no signs in the horizon for a delivery date

I hope he does not disappear with that fully paid upfront. I just can't trust Martin anymore, i never thought he'd be the type who'd commit and give he's word to deliver then fail and come up with excuses every time.

What a shame, i was fully in support of Martin and was going to push 26 fellow jeep customers from my country for Rock Lizard all with Kj's and KK's waiting to see the end results of my ordered bumpers.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:09 am

Jeepologist wrote:

could you be kind to enlighten us on how long dose he normally take to get bumpers out the door :?:

my order is approaching 9 months with Rock Lizard and yet no signs in the horizon for a delivery date

If it makes you feel any better, I had to wait two years. :mrgreen:

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Jeepologist wrote:

could you be kind to enlighten us on how long dose he normally take to get bumpers out the door :?:

my order is approaching 9 months with Rock Lizard and yet no signs in the horizon for a delivery date

If it makes you feel any better, I had to wait two years. :mrgreen:

Well he certainly has something in common with Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "they all take 2 years to build"

. Maybe he's thinking big. :mrgreen:

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:36 am

Jeepologist wrote:

Well he defiantly has something in common with Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "they all take 2 years to build"

. Maybe he's thinking big. :mrgreen:

Well, RL is a military vet who has had plenty of health issues, I’m just thankful that he keeps building quality products even though his health doesn’t always allow him to mass produce them. He does have a nice shop now, plus local businesses who can cut his steel, etc. It sounds like he’s better equipped today than ever before.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:40 am

On average, RL builds an estimated one bumper per week. That tells you the amount of business he does. He probably sells an estimated 5 sliders and 1 roof rack to every bumper sold. It’s not like the guy is sitting around and doing nothing. These are just my estimates based on my conversations with him.

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

dieselenthusiast wrote:

On average, RL builds an estimated one bumper per week. That tells you the amount of business he does. He probably sells an estimated 5 sliders and 1 roof rack to every bumper sold. It’s not like the guy is sitting around and doing nothing. These are just my estimates based on my conversations with him.

All the above does not justify the 9 months or 2 years of delay, it's just not acceptable by any standards. If he's that busy and unable to deliver then he should've never taken our business from the first place, or at the least be clear with customers from day one before they pay upfront.

I'm yet to hear of any fabricator of this kind in the world that take this long to deliver, it's totally unprofessional.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:57 pm

Jeepologist wrote:

All the above dose not justify the 9 months or 2 years of delay, it's just not acceptable by any standards. If he's that busy and unable to deliver then he should've never taken our business from the first place, or at the least be clear with customers from day one before they pay upfront.

I'm yet to hear of any fabricator of this kind in the world that take this long to deliver, it's totally unprofessional.

I agree with you, but unfortunately that’s not reality. If you’re that bitter about it, then I would suggest canceling your order and requesting a refund. The other option is to be thankful that somebody makes a high quality rear bumper for the KJ. Be patient with RL and have a positive attitude about the situation. Life is too short to be angry and bitter. The choice is yours.

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Jeepologist wrote:

All the above dose not justify the 9 months or 2 years of delay, it's just not acceptable by any standards. If he's that busy and unable to deliver then he should've never taken our business from the first place, or at the least be clear with customers from day one before they pay upfront.

I'm yet to hear of any fabricator of this kind in the world that take this long to deliver, it's totally unprofessional.

I agree with you, but unfortunately that’s not reality. If you’re that bitter about it, then I would suggest canceling your order and requesting a refund. The other option is to be thankful that somebody makes a high quality rear bumper for the KJ. Be patient with RL and have a positive attitude about the situation. Life is too short to be angry and bitter. The choice is yours.

Yes i did request Martin to cancel my order but unfortunately he's playing that arm-twisting game with me and only wants to refund 75% of the total amount or let him do the job and deliver whenever he wants :evil:

This is how Martin the Rock Lizard does business with customers.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:59 pm

Jeepologist wrote:

Yes i did request Martin to cancel my order but unfortunately he's playing that dirty arm-twisting game with me and only wants to refund 75% of the total amount or let him do the job and deliver whenever he wants :evil:

This how Martin the Rock Lizard does business with customers.

Bummer....... Did you order the Heavy Duty or the Light Duty bumper?

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Jeepologist wrote:

Yes i did request Martin to cancel my order but unfortunately he's playing that dirty arm-twisting game with me and only wants to refund 75% of the total amount or let him do the job and deliver whenever he wants :evil:

This how Martin the Rock Lizard does business with customers.

Bummer....... Did you order the Heavy Duty or the Light Duty bumper?

I don't know what you mean by Bummer ......

i hope it's not what i think it is, but yes i've ordered the rear heavy duty and a front bumper.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:39 pm

Jeepologist wrote:

I don't know what you mean by Bummer ......

i hope it's not what i think it is, but yes i've ordered the rear heavy duty and a front bumper.

bummer = disappointed to hear that you couldn't get back 100% of your refund. Just hang on a little longer, you'll be happy when you get your front and rear bumpers. :wink:

KD6ICZ · **Posted:** Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:50 am

It appears RL is going through some type of ownership change according to his website. Hopefully this will help the product production and not hurt it. I am totally in on buying a front and rear but not until I hear all the previous orders have been fulfilled.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:38 am

KD6ICZ wrote:

I am totally in on buying a front and rear but not until I hear all the previous orders have been fulfilled.

I don't know for sure, but I think he will be nearly caught up by the end of January. I'll be seeing him either Thursday or Friday of this week, perhaps I will find out more.

arengant · **Posted:** Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:17 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

KD6ICZ wrote:

I am totally in on buying a front and rear but not until I hear all the previous orders have been fulfilled.

I don't know for sure, but I think he will be nearly caught up by the end of January. I'll be seeing him either Thursday or Friday of this week, perhaps I will find out more.

You should ask him if he has made any time to new product development :?:

Elmer · **Joined:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:43 am **Posts:** 83

Or bust his kneecaps, run his pockets, and get Jeepologist that 100% refund

Jeepologist · **Joined:** Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:49 pm **Posts:** 30

Elmer wrote:

Or bust his kneecaps, run his pockets, and get Jeepologist that 100% refund

I was going to let the judge in court do him this one last month but decided to give him the benefit of doubt hoping he'll stop giving excuses all the time and honor his words to customers

Elmer · **Joined:** Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:43 am **Posts:** 83

Jeepologist wrote:

Elmer wrote:

Or bust his kneecaps, run his pockets, and get Jeepologist that 100% refund

I was going to let the judge in court do him this one last month but decided to give him the benefit of doubt hoping he'll stop giving excuses all the time and honor his words to customers

You're a good man, Jeepologist. I hope that he doesn't continue to take advantage of your kindness and that you get what you paid for! Keep us updated.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:11 pm

In the 6 years that I have been on this forum, I have never heard of anyone not getting their parts from RL. He has sold hundreds if not thousands of parts to Cherokee and Liberty owners. He wouldn't be in buisness today if he had stole people's money. I've bought parts from RL since 2008 and I've always gotten what I paid for. Rock Lizard Fabrications is not like Wal-Mart where you buy over the counter items manufactured off the assembly line in China. No, his parts are USA hand-made using USA steel.

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