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 Post subject: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:26 pm 
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I posted this on another forum and thought I would do so here as well.

I just want to put this out there. For the longest time I had the annoying p0093 error code and the Jeep would go in to limp mode often. I spent countless hours troubleshooting and online forum surfing.

The symptoms were as follows. Runs fine cold. Once it warms up, it gets bad gas mileage(21-22.5mpg), limp mode often(always at the worst times), sometimes ran hot, smokes under hard acceleration, sometimes a rough idle.
It cranks for 3-5 seconds before it starts and considerably longer when cold.

I had the engine and transmission re-tuned by GDE. I also replaced the whole filter assembly with the Racor 2 micron. Through some research I found the 10 micron stock filter may have been too large for the injector jets which could explain the clogging for some. I installed things like a lift pump, and replaced several sensors on the engine. None of this made any difference.

One day the engine went in to limp mode as usual and for the first time it threw a code "cylinder number 1 misfire". I ordered two injectors, 2 copper washers and 4 rubber seals. I replaced injectors 1 & 4, also replacing the injector seals on all as well. The warm crank time kept getting longer and longer. I have read about people on here with the warm start issue and I can tell you it is injector related. With the fuel filter aside, there is nothing wrong with our fuel system. I am confident that if a 2micron filter was used, we wouldn't be having 1/2 the issues.

The end result is the jeep starts immediately every time with in 1/4 to 1/2 second. No smoking at all. Averaging 26mpg now. No limp mode at all. No codes have been thrown since replacing injectors.

I no longer leave the windows down with keys in the ignition or have thoughts about ghost riding it in to a rock quarry. I hope this helps anyone with the P0093 issue. Injectors fixed mine.

I asked GDE about programming the injectors. Here is what he had to say:

"I would need the ecm to program the injector codes, they are not stored in the tune flash code. It is not mandatory to install the codes as they only correct fuel flow +- 3% for the trim. There is a fuel balancing algorithm in the ecm code that will correct fuel flow on top of the injector coding, this is a learning function.

If you want them coded anyway, just ship in the ecm and I can do it for the cost of return shipping."

I am assuming he will do it for free since I spent $1200 on tunes. I do not have another vehicle to drive, so this isn't an option at this time.

I just want to help anyone with starting/running issues so they don't have to go through what I have.. I have read countless threads of people having similar issues with no fix. If you are having any drive-ability issues(cold start, hot start, limp, random codes, p0093), I would start with the injectors. Have them tested. Replace that filter with something better(Racor).

Now I just have to replace a glow plug #2 to make the CEL stay off.

Some reading:

http://jalopnik.com/364172/mercedes-...ency-techology

"few microns wide"

High-speed, ultra-precise piezoelectric injectors are among the key components of the second-generation direct petrol injection system. The invention of these injectors has spawned virtually all the advances in the spray-guided combustion system. The piezoelectric valves open their injectors outwards to create an annular gap just a few microns wide, allowing the fuel jet to form with a uniform, hollow cone-shaped pattern. Thanks to millisecond switching times, the piezoelectric injectors also permit the multiple injection that promotes lean-burn operation and helps create the ideal conditions for the engine's exemplary consumption figures. A high-pressure pump with downstream distributor and pressure valve supplies the fuel and regulates the amount delivered in accordance with requirements. With a pressure of up to 200 bar, the system develops around 50 times the fuel pressure of a conventional port-injection system.

I really think it is the CHEAP filter Chrysler used that is causing all these weird issues.


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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:23 pm 
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P0093 - FUEL RAIL PRESSURE MALFUNCTION POSITIVE PRESSURE DEVIATION.

not sure of the proper test sequence - but sensors can die too.

FYI - Noob guide has lots of good information
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=604519#p604519

and Error codes
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=425705#p425705


and 2 micron Racor Filter install
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=388350#p388350

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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:31 am 
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My Limited has been throwing a P0093 pretty regularly lately? So you are saying injectors fixed it for you?

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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:08 pm 
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Yes. Haven't had a SINGLE issue since injector replacement. Money well spent. I would definitely replace the fuel filter with better filtering capabilities. I have the Racor 2 micron. I bet most of the issues with CRD are injector related. I spent too much money on things that didn't matter. Your getting a p0093 code, have the injectors tested. That's my 2 cents.


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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:31 pm 
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orbanator7577 wrote:
Yes. Haven't had a SINGLE issue since injector replacement. Money well spent. I would definitely replace the fuel filter with better filtering capabilities. I have the Racor 2 micron. I bet most of the issues with CRD are injector related. I spent too much money on things that didn't matter. Your getting a p0093 code, have the injectors tested. That's my 2 cents.


Would it make more sense to have the fuel lift pump installed before going to a 2 micron filter. It seems that the fuel pump may struggle going with a filter that's 5X more restrictive without it. IDK.

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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Well I got rid of my persistent P0093 and drove it over 700 miles with out a hiccup.

What I did.
Unplugged MPROP and drove it with the CEL on for a while, I doubt that fixed it.
Connected my Innova 3160 and floored it for the 1st 30 seconds of startup, I was getting rail pressure of 24000 PSI. So the pump is good.
I think the real fix was, remove the rail return line and plugged it, unplugged the wiring harness from the PCV and cranked it with a hose connected to the return fitting on the rail. I am thinking maybe there was something caught in the seat of the PCV?

Well, these are a couple of things to try in the event of a P0093. :2cents:

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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:03 pm 
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gee..
I replaced the CP3..50k miles ago..added a lift pump and Racor filter head...
so far no problems other then when the wife thinks 1/8 tank is ok..
then the jeep isn't happy until its over a 1/4 tank..

I due suspect the mprov on the back of the cp3...in my case..

just fyi..

glad your is working fine now..something else to keep in mind..

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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:38 am 
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I wanted to give an update on this. Since replacing three injectors, I haven't had a SINGLE issue with starting or fuel economy. It always starts immediately every time in any temp. No codes.


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 Post subject: Re: 05 Liberty CRD P0093
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:20 pm 
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This forum is a life saver, and I thank you all for providing such valuable info here for me and my 2006 CRD limited. This will be my first post. Regarding specifically the P0093 code, many have stated the injectors as being the problem, and at $550-600 dollars each I nearly soiled myself when I got the P0093 code and went into limp mode on the freeway. Thank god it turned out in this case to simply be a matter of the fuel filter itself being loose and causing a fuel leak around the top seal. I had thought to check for air in the lines, so depressed the pump a few times and fuel bubbles and air escaped through the top seal. I had been getting the P0093 code with a hard then no start condition. I tightened the fuel filter and bled the air out through the bleed nipple and voila, instant start, and no more P0093 code, zero dollars spent, aside from a little wasted fuel...before anyone with this trouble code buys new injectors, verify your fuel filter is tight and not leaking. I am so thankful for this resource, what a relief to be able to fix myself since money is very tight these days.


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