Well I've arrived here in the US and will be here for some time in preparation for legal action against Martin from Rock-Lizard. On another note it has come to my attention from reliable sources that tommudd the Moderator on this forum and tjkj2002 a member on this forum are personal friends of Martin hence, I'd appreciate if both of you advice Martin to refund my money and take the easy way out before it is to late because not only will i be suing Martin for my money but i will equally sue him for the lawyer's fees and this is guarantied in US laws.

It is also worth mentioning that it is not my wish for matters to get this ugly but Martin has left me with no other option therefore either he refunds my 2,950$ via my PayPal account or legal action it is.

WOW !!!

Once again thread edit?

I know TJB has waited for at lest 3 to 4 years for a bumper that was paid for, and the same B.S has happed to him as well ! I also have a good friend Towstrap that ordered a set of rock rails "THROUGH" (TOD MOD) and was at his door step within a couple week's !!! Make's one wonder why hasn't there been some "HELP" from the "POWER'S WITHIN the SACRED TRUST" !!!!

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Oh boy

I will say this. Guys, I would think before making accusations that implicate others. Those being named above may, or may not have direct knowledge or participation in said legal issue. It's strictly hearsay, and as such it probably doesn't belong here. If there is an issue with certain members, I would take it up with them directly, just saying. This is how gossip, rumors and slander starts. One member has a legal issue with a business, and they have stated their case. It's bringing in the other names, and other members speculating that will turn this ugly really quick. The two names mentioned are well known contributors to the KJ/KK community, locally, nationally, and heck in many ways globally. I don't have any stars next to my name, but as a fellow member, lets keep this civil?

I have only stated FACT'S, encounter's myself and with friend's, not rumors, hearsay nor am I slandering anyone !! These stories above speak the TRUTH !!!

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04 KJ with some crap!!
15 Forester XT
14 STI Wagon
75 Cutlass "S"

More than one member, but some are afraid to post. Others post and get called liars. There have been many threads that this had been brought up in. I have been called a liar and that's got nothing to do with RL. It is members here. Please look up the definition of slander. Slander is saying/ repeating something you KNOW is untrue. And your right about the local national globally. Because that's where the complaints have come from.

Carry on then. If you have a problem with RL, that is one thing. Dragging this out to implicate others based on someone's sister's roommate's cousin's brother in law saying so serves no purpose but to lock the thread and accomplish nothing. As for slander, for one to make an accusation that can't be proven true, and defames another, well I hope you have a legal fund. Someone can just bankrupt you in court. This has dragged off topic enough. Do as you wish.

slan·der
ˈslandər/
nounLAW
1.
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
"he is suing the TV network for slander"
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verb
verb: slander; 3rd person present: slanders; past tense: slandered; past participle: slandered; gerund or present participle: slandering
1.
make false and damaging statements about (someone).
"they were accused of slandering the head of state"
synonyms: defame (someone's character), blacken someone's name, tell lies about, speak ill/evil of, sully someone's reputation, libel, smear, cast aspersions on, spread scandal about, besmirch, tarnish, taint; More
Origin

Middle English: from Old French esclandre, alteration of escandle, from late Latin scandalum (see scandal).

Just can't get it thru to some people.

Where is the part about making an accusation that can't be proven?
But yes you can't get thru to some people.

I think the point he is making that any breach of contract which may exist is between the two parties to the contract and does not involve others in any legal sense. I took Jeepologist's statement to be an appeal to friends to perhaps put a word in and possibly head this off before it becomes "a thing". Personally, I think that would have been better done via PM and left out of the public's eye. In a general sense, the more people involved in a fracas the harder it becomes to reach an agreement.

I'm not trying to take sides or tick anyone off. If what I posted makes sense, fine. If not, just ignore me.

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Plus publicly stating what he stated can be used against him in court,can be considered a threat in some states.Seen some people get burned pretty bad for what they stated on public forums before even when it does not appear to be bad.

Nope it makes sense but also could be viewed as an intimidation to keep others from posting their troubles. Which is how I viewed it. Having been asked to post info for someone who was intimidated, and been intimidated myself in the past.
Just the truth, from me.

It seem's Lawyer's and legality, pop up everytime this "TOPIC" is mentioned !! HMMMM!

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04 KJ with some crap!!
15 Forester XT
14 STI Wagon
75 Cutlass "S"

Ok Mr. tjkj2002 you might be a good mechanic except it's clear your knowledge ends in the garage where you repair vehicles, and just for your info i happen to be a holder of Masters Degree in Law and In my profession I deal with legal matters almost everyday. If you think i'll post words in this forum without first evaluating the legal implications of such words then you need to think again.

What we're talking about here is "simple facts and not threats" and we're posting publicly on this forum for a good reason therefor refrain from steering to havoc.

In bold english, Martin has runaway with my money equally other members on this forum have or are experiencing the same. I've requested you as a fellow member on this forum and a close friend of his to advice him to return my money back so that we can avoid legal action against him, but it seems you're more interested in twisting what i've posted and siding with your friend regardless rather then doing what is right.

What a shame!

Eloquently stated.

I have tried to stay away from this " discussion"
But for some reason some keep trying to drag me and some others in and not sure why?
I mean because I made a phone call for a friend at a Meet and Greet and had them talk directly to RL regarding a set of rock rails this is now a bad thing or that I have some sort of mystical powers? This was what 4-5 years ago ? I have also made calls to JBA and BDS to either get information or make an order easier to help friends I have met online. Yes I have friends at these places that I can call and get info, but I have no influence over them or the way they do business so why would one ask for me to do something about their business ? That confuses me.
If you have an issue with a business you deal with them, not try and get others to do it for you.
Throwing more gas on this post will not solve the issues some may have, it only separates those who enjoy working and driving their Jeeps. It makes a lot of folks go to other sites due to being tired of listening to the squabbling that does nothing at all to fix the problem that a few have. Believe it or not there are a lot of very satisfied customers and I know some who just got products just over the past couple of days and they are satisfied customers. But yet they will not say anything due to 3 or 4 that continue to fan the flames.
If I have an issue I quietly contact the supplier and work it out the best I can. I may warn others but I do not let it take on a life of its own and control me.

Think about it, the more you run over a dead cat, the flatter it gets, its not going to ever purr again.
So my suggestion is this thread be stopped, jeepologist keep working on whatever he thinks is best for him and everyone use their gas for keeping their Jeeps running, not throwing it on fires a quart at a time. It serves no purpose at all to keep rehashing things over and over and over and over and............................
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

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This is what I posted in the beginning of this thread. I dont see any mysterious effect of phone calls.
Sure lock the thread all the others have been. That contributes to this happing to others. Why wait until it's resolved and others have the facts.

Has anything been resolved in 5 pages of just stating the same things over and over and over ?
Nothing at all
But if you wish to continue, if it warms your heart to keep on and on
more power to you
Me I'm enjoying reading some of my favorite Bible passages
Have a great afternoon everyone

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03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited