Cam locking tool

blk05liberty · **Posted:** Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:37 pm

I know what a deposit is yes. Not gonna put my financial life on hold though lol. I'll make do.
:SOMBRERO:

HER_CRD · **Posted:** Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:52 pm

joelukex4 wrote:

Where are all these Wisconsin CRD's? I'm all over the state and never see them on the road. I've only seen my brothers and Bugnout on the road and he is from IL.

Rhinelander area.

kk3dln · **Joined:** Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:40 pm **Posts:** 23

You can rent a tool from Green Diesel Engineering for $40.00 with a deposit of $700.00. Call them at 248-977-9531. I own 3 Jeep liberty CRDs and I replaced the timing belts. Don from Huntingdon, Pa.

joelukex4 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:54 pm **Posts:** 386

Glutton for punishment, huh. :ROTFL:

Locked KJ · **Posted:** Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:16 pm

Another budget option for the timing pin set is freedom racing. Their part number is am-5056. On their site for $69.99. It comes with an aftermarket version of both cam locking pins, flywheel locking pin and the belt tensioner tool. I wound up borrowing one of the gates cam gear locking tools. It took a bit of fiddling and adjusting but it worked fine.

I will admit the quality of the tools are not top notch. I wound up using the intake pin on the exhaust and visa-versa. The exhaust pin just didn't thread into the exhaust side very nicely (rough threads it seemed).

Another trick my buddy showed me that worked awesome. When you putting the timing belt back on use zip ties the get it locked in the right teeth on the cam gears. It makes it much easier to work the rest of the tension to the right spots to make the teeth line up.

jws84_02 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:59 pm

Locked KJ wrote:

Another budget option for the timing pin set is freedom racing. Their part number is am-5056. On their site for $69.99. It comes with an aftermarket version of both cam locking pins, flywheel locking pin and the belt tensioner tool. I wound up borrowing one of the gates cam gear locking tools. It took a bit of fiddling and adjusting but it worked fine.

I will admit the quality of the tools are not top notch. I wound up using the intake pin on the exhaust and visa-versa. The exhaust pin just didn't thread into the exhaust side very nicely (rough threads it seemed).

Another trick my buddy showed me that worked awesome. When you putting the timing belt back on use zip ties the get it locked in the right teeth on the cam gears. It makes it much easier to work the rest of the tension to the right spots to make the teeth line up.

That kit is cheap China crap. They are on eBay for had that price. It also sounds like your buddy taught you the "mark and pray" method. The cam sprockets should be left loose when you put the belt on, then tension it, then torque the cam sprockets.

Locked KJ · **Posted:** Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:52 pm

That kit is very much cheap Chinese crap. I agree and said in my post that it wasn't the greatest quality. I just put a new head and all the trimmings into this thing. That was one of very few places where money could be saved. Instead of renting I now own the pins and next time I have to use them I'll probably buy the gates cam lock tool as well

As for how I did my timing belt. The sprockets were left loose while we worked the belt around the rest of the pulleys, then tensioned, then torqued. Don't really see any other way to do it. After that you spin the motor 3 times if I remember correctly and check to see if the cheap Chinese timing pins go back in all three holes. Maybe a little prayer during that part. Then you're good.

Just used the zip ties to hold the correct tooth count between the two sprockets. The gent on the youtube vid used wood shims instead.

05infernoCRDL · **Posted:** Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:23 am

Sir Sam wrote:

weeks101 wrote:

Right now the Miller VM.1085 retails between $687.23 and $701.25. Right now there is only 1 on eBay, listed for $694.10. Mopar dealership price is $561.00.

^ That's why we charge a $600 deposit.

Rental is $100 for 14-days and includes a free return shipping label. Easy.

Includes the VM.1085 cam lock tool, camshaft pins, flywheel pin and tensioner wrench.

X2.

I've loaned my Tools on a few occasions and some people have balked at the deposit.......thats what the deposit is for, to replace it in case you dont.

Man must have been after I borrowed them from you. I don't even think you made me pay a deposit, just like $60. I am in your state though.

jws84_02 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:50 am

Locked KJ wrote:

That kit is very much cheap Chinese crap. I agree and said in my post that it wasn't the greatest quality. I just put a new head and all the trimmings into this thing. That was one of very few places where money could be saved. Instead of renting I now own the pins and next time I have to use them I'll probably buy the gates cam lock tool as well

As for how I did my timing belt. The sprockets were left loose while we worked the belt around the rest of the pulleys, then tensioned, then torqued. Don't really see any other way to do it. After that you spin the motor 3 times if I remember correctly and check to see if the cheap Chinese timing pins go back in all three holes. Maybe a little prayer during that part. Then you're good.

Just used the zip ties to hold the correct tooth count between the two sprockets. The gent on the youtube vid used wood shims instead.

Not to correct you but you have to spin it in even numbers. Also with the cams being loosing you don't need any specia thing or "count" teeth between cam sprockets. With them loosing and getting the belt on once you tension that will do the work. All the timing is in the cams and crank.

blk05liberty · **Posted:** Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:23 am

Good idea with the zip ties to help hold the belt in place while trying to route it. I didn't realize how easy the injection pump gear turns either. Will try again tonight, with better luck!

xhizzous · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:04 am

blk05liberty wrote:

Good idea with the zip ties to help hold the belt in place while trying to route it. I didn't realize how easy the injection pump gear turns either. Will try again tonight, with better luck!

I mark everything with silver sharpie reference points before I yank the belt. They all have timing marks except the water pump and idlers. The crank sprocket does not either but you should have the pin in the flywheel so you know its @ TDC .. I know its unnecessary on the cam sprockets but its useful to set the marks for me. The hardest part is chasing that last tooth or 2 worth of slack around to the tensioner area without moving the CP3 off of its timing mark.

05infernoCRDL · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:55 am

There is a mark on the main crank, I've never used the flywheel pin, cause I've never been able to get it in the hole in the fly wheel

jws84_02 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:13 am

Yep, definitely a mark on the crank. Some of you are scaring me with your technique

rankom · **Posted:** Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:45 pm

well my local crd friends didn't bother returning my injector cup cleaning tool or my complete timing tool set , but you know tell you the truth i can perform timing thing on this motor with out any tools , (JUST VISUAL LOCATING TIMING ) so if you know what you are doing and you can be quick with air gun you don't need any tools, so this boys that i help out , guess what , i heard they hat to go back in and correct they timing , why ? they had the tools ? but how come people can do this with out this special tools , ? i love it , brings some old memories of the old school and people that i learned from and what they had to do in old days to ged engine timed . no timing tools no problem , i can get it timed .

xhizzous · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:03 pm

jws84_02 wrote:

Yep, definitely a mark on the crank. Some of you are scaring me with your technique

I hope Im not scaring you, :lol:

I use the Miller Pins before I yank the belt too lol, I just use the sharpie marks as a refrence.. as you can never have to much information. usually the crank pin does not want to fit exactly right probably due to belt strech or something....

blk05liberty · **Posted:** Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:30 pm

Just an update: I ended up using a cam tool from matco tools. Actually worked pretty well. The torque is only 80 ft lbs. on the bolts.

ernest · **Joined:** Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:04 pm **Posts:** 21

What is the CP3. Thankyou.

jws84_02 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:06 pm

ernest wrote:

What is the CP3. Thankyou.

Injection pump

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