Chip Claims to "turn off EGR"

Endurance · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:17 pm

INMotionTuning wrote:

Tinman wrote:

There should be no need to send in your ECU. Inmotion needs to get a downloader to sell with all the software to do the job. There is currently only one American sold programer for diesels (for Dodge/Cummins only) that is undetectable (even after returning to stock programing) by the dealer, so most downloaders will void your warrenty. It sounds like Inmotion has the software programs all ready to go. A good downloader should save your factory program (including reflashes) and return to stock as needed and not be detectable. Hopefully there will be enough of a market in the CRD to make it happen. Inmotions product is a good first step. I'll wait for a downloader. :lol:

"Don't hold your breath" The Rapid-Flash is for the BOSCH EDC15V ECU's only. Your ECU is much, much more sophisticated as it has an encryped processor. At this time an OBD programmer is $2,000.00usd. I highly doubt a more "cost effictive" solution will come within the next 3-4 years. F.Y.I. Purchase of the OBD programmer and a Tuning file buy-in will qualify you as an authorised INMotion Tuning USA Distributor. The programmer will do most European cars on the road today...

www.inmotionusa.com/instructions/Euro_Price_list.htm

Does anyone need translation for the content in the link?

Bgame · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:24 pm

Here is the link of the Cunnins. Called the Smarty. Been using one of sometime now In fact I was one of the tester before it came on the market. Marco know what he is doing.

10 different CaTCHER softwares to update the ECM of your truck through the diagnostic
OBD II port with different performance levels. Gives you the ability to choose several
levels of increased power or reduced fuel consumption, according to your current
driving needs.

DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) reader with on-screen plain text interpretation of the codes.

ABS programming for tire height adjustment.

Upgrades through build in USB connector (see Download page on this site)

Automatic recovery of the ECM in case of an interrupted update.

(no fuse removal needed)

Only 2 minutes required to update ECM

http://www.madselectronics.com/index.html

INMotionTuning · **Joined:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:32 am **Posts:** 10

litton wrote:

Question....isn't the resident program on an eprom? If so, why not just replace the e-prom with whichever program serves your needs?

The days of removing the "chip" or EPROM are long gone. The componets are way too small nowadays to work with safely, the risk or destroying your ECU is just way too high. Flash Programming via OBD or OFF-Board it the only why to go. :wink:

Bgame wrote:

Here is the link of the Cunnins. Called the Smarty. Been using one of sometime now In fact I was one of the tester before it came on the market. Marco know what he is doing.

10 different CaTCHER softwares to update the ECM of your truck through the diagnostic
OBD II port with different performance levels. Gives you the ability to choose several
levels of increased power or reduced fuel consumption, according to your current
driving needs.

DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes) reader with on-screen plain text interpretation of the codes.

ABS programming for tire height adjustment.

Upgrades through build in USB connector (see Download page on this site)

Automatic recovery of the ECM in case of an interrupted update.

(no fuse removal needed)

Only 2 minutes required to update ECM

http://www.madselectronics.com/index.html

The reason that you Domestic guys can have those cool hand-helds is mostly because the ECU is so "low tech" The ECU in your Liberty is "State of the art" with anti-programming countermeasures built in. We in the European industry have been amazed for years at what the USA market gets away with. I highly doubt that a unit like that will ever be avail for the Encrypted Bosch units like the ones in the Jeep Liberty, but hey you never know right?

Emailed questions are far easier to answer... info@inmotionusa.com

litton · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:46 pm

There is a lot of good info here that I don't have any idea of what is being discussed.....I'm sure it's relavent but is it helping me get from A to B in a relatively straight line? I would like to get some more pep, minimize the EGR operation (for off-road purposes), reduce trubo lag, and perhaps improve 85 mph HWY MPG, and not have the dealer go bonkers if he looks at the ECU.

So far I understand the following:

1) I can have my ECU reprogrammed to my needs.
2) The reprograming is probably invisible to the Star Scan unless the tech is looking for specific operation of key components. If he detects something odd......I put on a dazed look and act like a government official......DENY, DENY, DENY.
3) If a reflash is needed, all the good stuff is gone, but Inmotion will reload the aforementioned good stuff as part of the deal.
4) I can buy a CRD ECU from:
http://www.ecudirect.com/finditfast/def ... &type1=rnr
have inmotion program it for me and swich back and forth as needed.

Now I'm going to do some guessing.

1) If I have an Inmotion programed ECU and the dealer does a reflash, it may or may not change the "custom" features depending on what the reflash was supposed to accomplish. I'm guessing that the whole program isn't reloaded, only the strings which DCX deemed necessary....could be way off base here.
2) If I need to go back and have it re-reprogramed after a flash.... the new flash is still in residence???

Am I anywhere close in my understanding?

I would kind of like to move forward with this but I am still under warrenty and there are no Indies with CRD experience anywhere around so I am stuck with the dealer. Somehow I need to accomadate three hands on the keyboard with 2 sheets of music.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:43 pm

You basically have the right idea...this is definitely the best idea on the horizon...completely reversible...completely reloadable...just two, maybe three down days with shipping. Those few days are nothing compared to the down time at the dealership for some of the reflashes ect (plus you get to pick the days instead of them being picked for you by a tow truck and warranty work).

jaciii · **Joined:** Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:09 am **Posts:** 25

Quote:

www.inmotionusa.com/instructions/Euro_Price_list.htm

Does anyone need translation for the content in the link?

The only thing i want to know is why I can't buy the Ford Ranger TDI I saw listed.

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

Yep, the Smarty is what I was referring to. It is pretty much the thing right now for the Cummins. But we don't have to deal with EGR and all that other mess. There is also a company that has a stand alone computer for the Duramax. Plug up to your laptop and design your own fueling maps. EFI Live I think. That'd be cool to have.

I have no idea what I'm talking about in reguards to the complexity of the ECU, so the common downloader may not be possible with our CRDs. That's too bad and goes to show ya; newer, ain't always better. I think I'd have to have a spare ECU to undertake this kind of reflash, but it would be the correct way to solve the EGR issue and tune for mileage, performance, etc.

Bgame · **Posted:** Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:13 pm

Tinman wrote:

Yep, the Smarty is what I was referring to. It is pretty much the thing right now for the Cummins. But we don't have to deal with EGR and all that other mess. There is also a company that has a stand alone computer for the Duramax. Plug up to your laptop and design your own fueling maps. EFI Live I think. That'd be cool to have.

I have no idea what I'm talking about in reguards to the complexity of the ECU, so the common downloader may not be possible with our CRDs. That's too bad and goes to show ya; newer, ain't always better. I think have to have a spare ECU to undertake this kind of reflash, but it would be the correct way to solve the EGR issue and tune for mileage, performance, etc.

Yes Marco first started by us having to send him our ECU and he reprogramed it. Now the Smarty does when we want to change the setting. Sending in the ECU is old hat. That is why the Smarty works so well... No trace of changing the ECU when you go back to stock.

Jeger · **Posted:** Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:44 pm

Just thought I would pass along a bit of info.

Found Inmotion selling on ebay. If you had an extra ecu or could handle the downtime it isnt priced too bad I guess. I believe they will see more business from the CRD's when we start going out of warranty coverage.

http://stores.ebay.com/INMOTION-TUNING-USA

INMotionTuning · **Joined:** Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:32 am **Posts:** 10

Hello all,

F.Y.I. the EBay tunings come with 10-Day Satisfaction gaurantee only. You must purchase the item direct at full retail to recieve the lifetime firmware warranty and free lifetime upgrades / downgrades.

Gunter Heckman
www.inmotiontuning.com

Hero · **Joined:** Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:32 pm **Posts:** 122

I'm a dolt when it comes to these things! I have a few questions about the ECU...

1. Is it difficult to remove? Where the heck is it anyway?

2. Once you go to plug it back in, is there waiting period before you can drive? Does it have to power up and tweak the vehicle, etc?

Hero · **Joined:** Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:32 pm **Posts:** 122

Does anyone have an answer to my simple questions?

dog_party · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:22 pm

I hear a cricket chirping.

BLake · **Posted:** Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:45 pm

From the manual:

MODULE-DIESEL ENGINE CONTROL
DESCRIPTION
The Engine Control Module (ECM) (2) is located in the
left side of engine compartment attached to the left
inner fender behind the battery. The ECM also incorporates
the barometric pressure sensor in it’s housing.

crdmike · **Joined:** Tue May 16, 2006 7:25 pm **Posts:** 138

Well it's in the mail

MoLibertyCRD · **Posted:** Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:35 pm

crdmike wrote:

We'll it's in the mail - I'll keep ya'll posted!

Can't wait to hear what your experience is. I'm thinking hard about it...

dog_party · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:47 am

MoLibertyCRD wrote:

crdmike wrote:

We'll it's in the mail - I'll keep ya'll posted!

Can't wait to hear what your experience is. I'm thinking hard about it...

Same here.

GregScuba · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:06 pm

I'm anxious to know how it goes too. I am seriously thinking about doing this once I get my EGR replaced.

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:19 pm

crdmike wrote:

We'll it's in the mail - I'll keep ya'll posted!

Also let us know what you were going for with the tune. Max power or max economy, the "offroad" tune for no egr. etc etc.

litton · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:15 pm

I'm still looking around for an extra ECU. With a little bit of luck, the ECU is not CRD specific (hardware) and any liberty module from 200 will work. Then all we have to do is copy the program from my existing to the replacement then do the performance upgrades. That way I will always have the current factory CRD module in my back pocket.

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