Remember Mazda and some other brand having to buy back vehicles because they overstated the power? The lawyer in me says we all have a hell of a case for forcing DC to buy our cars back. I wouldn't give mine up for anything, but for those of you who've had a lot of problems, this may be a good way out.

By the way, has anyone noticed how the prices of used CRDs on Ebay have gone up quite a bit since they stopped making them?

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<b>2005 Liberty CRD Limited</b>
Atlantic Blue, Navigation, Sirius,
Park Distance Control,
Parrot Bluetooth system;
Custom heated, leather seats (black on the side bolsters, Atlantic Blue center);
Skid plate package, Michelin Cross-Terrains
<b>2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI (twin-turbo V6 diesel)
2008 Mercedes C350 Sport

I for one don't want DCX to buy my vehicle back. I just want them to fix it right.

I really like this little CRD and I don't want to give it up.

Ditto

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2006 Jeep Liberty Limited CRD w/275000 miles

I find the mention of the Toyota FJ as kind of funny because a good friend of the wife, her husband has had some problems with his FJ and is talking about trying to find a new CRD. His main problem is 16 mpg tops while only driving 55 to 60 mph and not even carrying a load, just him. He has had it to dealer with three CEL's and they have told him both times the problem was loose fuel cap and he is not happy with that answer. His comment was for almost $35,000 you think they could make a vehicle get better mpg's and not throw a CEL once a month.

With the price of fuel rising weekly and diesel staying close to same price for the last 6 months or more, the value of the CRD should come back up. That may be the reason the local Toyota dealer has had the same Blue FJ since the middle of last month on his

The wife has been driving 150 miles a day several weeks now to the hospitial where she has been doing her clinicials. There are 4 small towns she has to drive through in route and to mix add the fact the route involves driving across our town and the town where she is working. So far the two tanks that mileage was checked one was 26.2 and one 26.5 mpg for the two tanks. So far we are happy with the CRD and it really hasn't been as problemic as lot of other car we have owned, but I just wish it was as dependable and trouble free as my Dodge Magnum.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

Add one more possible reason for this recall to my earlier list of possible reasons as to why DC is doing this action now.

Federal saftey investigation into 06 Jeep Liberty's - with the balljoint investigation, now this saftey investigation by a US agency, perhaps DC doesn't want the tranny failures reported as safety issues turning into yet another forced recall.

From this link:

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... 1/BUSINESS

Jeep Liberty sport-utility vehicles and Dodge Neon small cars are being investigated by a U.S. safety agency after reports of overheating in dashboards and steering columns.

The Liberty inquiry covers 2006 models, after three reports of fires that appeared to start in a heating and air-conditioning unit under the dashboard, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said yesterday. The vehicle is made in Toledo.

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2005 LTD CRD RB1 NAV/Htd Leather seats/Amsoil EA filters
SunCoast Mega Trans & Billet TC/PML pan/Aux cooler
Fuel cooler/Lift Pump/10um Pri/Racor R490 2um Sec Fuel Filters
IronMan Lift/Shocks/Provent/Moog ball joints/ V6 Airbox/Fan/Hayden
Cobalt Boost/EGT/Oil/Trans/Volt gauges/Aeroturbine 2525
Yeti Hot Tune/Odessey 65/Samco's/Michelin Defenders

One thing I've noticed on this thread - everyone that has talked to a dealer or service advisor has related a DIFFERENT version of what this recall is supposed to entail. I've lost track of how many different variations there are by now.

About the only thing I know with any kind of certainty from dealing with this beast over the last year or so - the dealers and service personnel, at least in this area of the country, are the LAST to know just what is going on with a TSB or recall.

One gent at work related that the service advisor at his dealership told him that if during the recall, they inspected the original TC and it looked good to them, they would simply reinstall the original TC and just reprogram the vehicle! Sounds as if some of the less-than-honest dealerships are already figuring out ways to cut corners and come out ahead on this. If, as was said, it takes far more time than DC is allowing/paying the dealerships to do this, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that more than one dealership is going to get "creative" when it comes to performing this recall.

Somehow, I just don't feel this recall is going to be the end of the tranny saga.

And for that matter - I don't have a warm fuzzy about some of the service techs I've seen, regardless of honesty, disassembling this electronic gizmo of a tranny and getting it back together properly. I'd much rather they simply take it out whole, send it back to DC to be refurbished, and plug in a new complete unit, rather than having to cross my fingers and hope some 90 day wonder in the back room was paying attention when they were teaching him how to work on trannys. That's one other reason I'm not inclined to rush in for this recall.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

Don't you jinx me now........ I just got the boys at the dealership trained with doughnuts! So each time they see me, they pay attention to what I'm saying/asking for because they know there is a treat coming.

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2005 Black CRD Limited w/105,000 miles
Mann Provent 200, Airbox Mod, ORM Mod
New 545RFE, TC & Redesigned pump @ 25,020 miles
New EGR Flow Control Valve @ 25,020 miles
New Transfer Case input/output seals @ 32,787 miles
SEGR Kit @ 52,000 miles
SunCoast TC and Transgo Shift Kit @ 52,000 miles

Well, I'm going back to Westgate in Plainfield as they have not messed up any of my reflashes and from what I've been told, are the best rebuilders of the large Dodge transmissions. I just wish I knew exactly what the F37 procedure is. This is the first time I've been in without the actual procedure in writing that the techs use - but I can't wait any longer - this needs fixed right away as my wife is taking her van back.

I remember when you and I were at the same mileage. You've double me and then some!!!

Have you checked your vin# on jeep.com to see if your included???

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Hmm...they are't recalling all of of them so what determines who gets the notice? Prior transmission complaints? Build dates? Random? I really like my CRD but should the idea that they have to detune to make it reliable is cause for concern?

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Sold 05 CRD Patriot Blue, hole in the roof, Trailer tow, factory skids, LSD, Saris load bars, Michelin LTX M/S
Current Bright white 2010 Dakota Quad Cab 4x4 V8

I guess I was asking the same thing on another post I started.


http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=15270

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2006 CRD Sport,
Born on 5-20-2006 @ 7:20pm
Jeep Green, Oil drain valve
Tow Package, Transmission skid plate
EHM2, ORM,
Current mileage 79,000.
Past Jeeps: 63 CJ5,
1994, 1995, 2000 Cherokee,
1995, 1997, 2003 Wrangler

...This bulletin applies to vehicles equipped with a 2.8L turbo-diesel engine and a 545RFE automatic transmission (sales codes ENR and DGQ respectively) and built prior to November 03, 2005. ...

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Thanks,
Ken Jennings
2006 KJ Limited 4x4 CRD, Option Pkg G, Lt. Khaki, Built 1 Feb 2006
Tow Package for myself, EVIC TPM
Side Curtain Airbags for my daughter
http://www.kenjennings.cc/crd/dieselexp.html

The text you quoted is from a prior TSB, not the current F37. Earlier in this thread a prior TSB was posted which has confused the situation. I believe it was 21-009-06. I had that reflash, in addition to the later 18-023-06. I've also had the original, transmission oil cooler return filter replacement TSB, 21-016-05, completed - which was later replaced with another TSB, 21-007-06, stating to NEVER change just the oil cooler return filer, but oil return filter and the main sump filter - dealer REFUSED to perform this one as I had already had the first one done (which was apparently sub-par).

This will be my fourth time in for transmission related issues - yet I've never broken down. My mileage will hit 15,500 by tonight.

Maybe I'm part of this because of all the buggered up TSBs...

Since I never got the F31 recall, but did have 21-009-06 performed which messed up emissions requirements, I'm assuming that 18-023-06 is the same, or close to the same as the F31.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

It would be interesting to find out that it coverd the ones with 100K warranties, but not the ones with 36K warranties, now wouldnt it?

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

HERE IS MY THEORY FOR WHO IS/IS NOT INCLUDED:

When I had TSB 21-009-06 performed, it was to get me "updated" to the new software that became effective already for CRDs produced after December 16, 2005 in the hopes of resolving my random transmission shudder. I suspect that after December 16, 2005 all CRDs produced had new enough programming for "reduced torque" and/or "improved shifting." Thus, any 2006 CRD physically produced in the last quarter of 2005 IS included as part of F37, any 2006 CRD produced after 12/16/05 is not included (can anyone bust this part of the theory?).

Hence, anything produced after 12/16/05, or anyone who had TSB reflashes 21-009-06 or 21-008-06, had to get the F31 recall as the software was not compliant with code reading equipment. Shortly before F31 came out, 18-023-06 was released and I jumped on it - thus avoiding F31.

My CRD has had the shift points changed, and driven differently, ever since TSB 21-009-06 and the diesel tech stated this upgraded me to the latest software put into new CRD units near the turn of the year from 05 to 06. I suspect that anyone that has run on software prior to 12/17/05 is subject to F37. ANYONE?

*** EDIT *** Finally found the F31:
http://www.alldata.com/tsb/Chrysler/115 ... /3101.html

It states a date as of December 16, 2005 so I'm revising my post accordingly.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

I will check my build date tonight I have a 2006 that is included, dealer tells me parts are back ordered with no indication of when they will be available.

They fixed my overdrive problem but wouldn't say what they did to fix it. Told me I would get a copy of the work preformed after they are finished with the recall.

Makes me feel like they are hiding something:evil:

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1946 CJ2A

Some 06 model year CRDs are being recalled for this, so the 100k -vs- 36k warranty concept can't be the case. It really does beg the question though; What changed on that date?

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Here is a thought to ponder... how much damage has resulted from my driving 25,000 miles so far? There are guys here that had their tranny fail at 6000 miles.

What assurance do we have with a new torque convertor and re-program that this will fix our issues? The dealer sure doesn't know. DC probably doesn't know either?

Why hasn't this happened to the export CRD's in the UK and Europe?

My CRD is in for a Mass Air Flow and now a boost sending unit. The service writer noticed to new recall last week and ordered my torque converter and they'll have it all back together by late Friday afternoon.

I do have a great dealer and I'm happy about that!

This is a great forum, I'd be hog-tied w/o it!

Thanks,

Tom

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2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
Build Date May '05
OME lift kit
Samco hoses
Weeks Stage 1
PMF EGR plug kit
ARP Stud
Cracked CAC repaired with epoxy filler

Yea I have been wondering a lot about the long-term effects on the transmission myself. I know it's covered under 7/70, but if it craps out at 75 or 80k, we are stuck ... and driving all these miles w/ the wrong torque converter, wrong filters, under-filled resevoirs ... HAS TO have degraded its overall long-term durability.

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'05 CRD, Midnight Blue. Every option. Nice ride, idles like a garbage truck

Mine was built 5-20-2006 and is not included.

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2006 CRD Sport,
Born on 5-20-2006 @ 7:20pm
Jeep Green, Oil drain valve
Tow Package, Transmission skid plate
EHM2, ORM,
Current mileage 79,000.
Past Jeeps: 63 CJ5,
1994, 1995, 2000 Cherokee,
1995, 1997, 2003 Wrangler

I don't recall what the latest flash we have on our '05 (built Feb, '05, I think), but it does have the random light shudder at 55mph or so.

I've not even bothered to check whether the filter TSB applies or not as we've never had any isses with the delayed engagement.

Currently, we are just over 30,000 miles. The wife does drive it like she stole it. I have a very hard time keeping up to her in my Jetta TDI, even when she's just driving 'normal'. That might be a reason for our results so far - keeping the rpm's up for good line pressure from the pump?

I'll tell you this - I am NOT taking it in for this 'recall' until the tranny drops out the back of the Jeep. No way I'm going to put up with a diesel that drives like a whiny gasser. Taking all that diesel grunt and torque away is like taking crack way from an addict.....


Chris

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'02 Jetta TDI Wagon 5 spd (mine)
'10 Outback (her's)
'05 CRD Sport (hangar queen)