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Kellog13 - This is the first time I have ever seen all your issues in one place. Most of the threads I have seen from you have been asking about the quote that the CRD is a 'experiment' in a misguided attempt to demonstrate that we were somehow victims of a beta test. Based on that, I have generally disregarded your issues, because honestly someone who would mischaractorize statements is not someone I have much faith in to be telling the truth about thier situation. IF you have actually had all the issues mentioned, if you did no modifications of your vehicle yourself, and if you were treating it in a fashion that would not void the warranty(the actual warranty, not the one everyone wishes they had), then yes, I would agree that you have a lemon. Based upon several of your statements, I have trouble believing that is truly the case, but being as this is the internet, there is no way to prove it either way. One thing you could do to establish your credibility(if you even care to) with the skeptics like myself is to post a link to your case, its likely on your city/county/state website, I know that here in WA most cases are posted since they are public information. If not, no problem, I do understand privacy concerns. Hopefully you can understand why I have been so heavily skeptical, however.
Saber - How intellectually stimulating. I'm glad you've found a backbone thanks to the internet.
retmil - If its required, I will send an email to Darby via my work email address to confirm where I work. Once he sees the return address, there will be zero doubt that I have absolutely zero connection to Chrysler beyond what I have already stated(my gf's father works for them and has for three decades). If your not willing to have it proven, then I ask you to kindly stop slandering my reputation simply because we have a difference of opinion. I respect your right to have yours, I would hope you don't have to resort to slander and insinuation just because you have no real counter to mine.
And finally, the reason I have so much doubt about some of these people(Joe Romas/Kellog especially) is because as I have stated before, I work in the software industry for a very prominent developer. I deal every single day with 'computer techs' who think they know how things 'should' be done and who continually discredit the technical decisions my(and other) software developers make, without ever really understanding the regulatory landscape, the corporate partnerships, the international issues or even the technical challenges involved. Even the most simple seeming change has to clear several departments and several levels of test engineering and QA, because even if something seems small you never know who else you may impact.
When I see these people on here bragging about 'turning their own wrenches' I see much the same problem. Its not that I doubt that they have the skill to do basic work, just as most computer techs can fix a computer, its that they do not understand engineering, which takes a VERY different mindset and has a very different set of concerns. Quite frankly, there is a reason that the mechanics are mechanics and the engineers are engineers(and the developers/designers are developers/designers), they each require a different mentality and have a different set of goals. Unfortunatly, each group in my experience typically believes that they know best, and that the others are quite simply incompetant.
When I see a mechanic here(or anywhere) rant about how "If Chrysler had just done 'xyz' all of these problems would have been averted!" I cringe, do they honestly believe that that solution was not considered? Or worse, was tossed out because of a few cents on a slightly better part? Warranty and recalls will in the end cost far more than the few cents saved at production, which leads me to the logical conclusion: There is a reason why it was not done that way, even if it is not apparant to those who were not present when the decision was made. I see this happen all the time in software, and I have zero doubt that it happens in auto engineering just as frequently.
This is probably the third time I have attempted to explain my position on this. Perhaps this time some of you will read it and understand. I won't hold my breath however.
_________________ 2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD
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