Just another question.... If there is a screen inside the filler neck, just how do they take a sample to see what color the fuel is? Some have reported when doing the lift pump installation in the tank, they find a screen in the filler hose to keep some from "Steeling" fuel.
Just wondering how they do the test....

Good article here about all the fuels
http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
Yes. Home heating oil is red also.

Tim.
If I were DOT and there was a screen in the fill tube,
I would pump some out of the fuel head manager.

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06 Silver Liberty
EHM/SEGR
Fumoto Oil Drain
No rock climbing
No mudding
Hangs behind my
motorhome on tow bars. Semi-retired and still learning.

Under that logic then the SEGR thread should have been locked...and the EHM

Obviously the majority of members here are willing to talk about some vehicle activities/modifications that depending on use would be considered illegal in some place.

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2005 Liberty CRD Limited
Light Khaki

Thank God Reflex wasn't around during the days of unfair taxation and the Boston Tea Party or he'd have tried to convince everyone that we should just pay England their money and stop breaking the law. We'd still be a colony!

Oil companies were on the hot seat recently for record profits, but guess what folks....they are a business. They are SUPPOSED to make money. It's called Capitalism. It's a GOOD thing. Now, if you look at the breakdown on the cost of a gallon of gas, "big oil" makes about .22 cents profit. The government (city, state, county, federal) takes about FIVE TIMES that much. If you wanna find the REAL crooks, look no further than your closest elected official. Just because someone does something within the confines of the law doesn't make it right. Just because someone breaks the law doesn't make it wrong.

If we don't DEMAND fair taxation on fuel either through or representatives (which is usually a dead end street) or via protest (not driving, using "off road" fuel, etc.), then we'll continue to get gouged.

Just look at illegal immigration. There are so many illegals in the country that there is nothing the government can do about it except just ignore the problem. Can you imagine if we tried to deport or imprison all the illegals? It'd cost more to do that then to just leave them alone.

This country was founded by rebels. By people who knew a better way HAD to exist. Our government has largely forgotten this, and they have turned into more of a "big brother" trying to protect us from ourselves.

I've got a darn good idea. Just flat tax everyone. Abolish all other taxes. Of course, the government wouldn't be able to control us then. No "incentives", "tax breaks", etc. Everyone pays the same percentage. PERIOD. Wouldn't it be nice to see the net amount on your paycheck and know that's all YOUR money and you aren't being taxed over and over again. You pay taxes on your income, then when you buy goods, when you license your car, etc. It's stupid! Just tax me once and let me keep what's left.

Anyone who turns someone in for circumventing what amounts to an excessive tax is nothing more than a Benedict Arnold who is siding with a government that's lost touch with what they were supposed to be doing.....the will of the PEOPLE (us!).

Oh no....I've gone on a rant. Oooops.

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Chad Hargis
Nashville, TN
2008 Grand Cherokee CRD
2005 Liberty CRD *SOLD*

I agree Chadhargis. I dont believe the oil companies are evil, but I do think if we are subsidizing them with $billions annually in order to reduce the cost of fuel, we should see cheaper prices at the pump. This is just common sense stuff. I think government needs to step out of regulating everything they get their greedy hands on. History has shown that regulation of any industry rarely has the intended effect. It usually makes things worse (70's oil crisis, airline industry etc). More government is not a good idea. I forget where I read this but a small new england city was having problems with running out of money for municipalities and city maintenance. The city council voted to allow a private company manage the city for a period of 1 year. The results were budget surpluses, better garbage services, better road maintenance. The list went on and on. Our government is so bloated with bureaucrats and red tape, they cant do anything efficiently! I've agreed with the use of a national retail sales tax (fair tax) for years. We'd earn more revenue because everyone would have to pay it. We are a nation of consumers and our tax scheme should play to our strengths as a consumer society. The IRS is the Gestapo of the US government and is long overdue for replacement. Clearly the current tax scheme is not working for us and we should change it.

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www.dieseltoyz.com

You're right!

That was my point. Isn't it funny when you hear people making jokes about "crooked politicians", but everyone knows it true?

In today's information society where you have instant access to news and happening all over the world, more power should be in the hands of the people. The common misconception is that the common American is stupid and doesn't know what's good for them. I don't believe that. I believe there ARE stupid people out there, but the majority of people know what they need, and have enough good common sense to make sound decisions. The majority should rule, not the vocal majority, the affluent few, or a select group who "know better" than the rest of us. Sadly, that's where government has gone. Stupid laws, rules, regulations, taxes, etc, that the average Joe has no knowledge of and couldn't know if they wanted to.

I once had a police office friend of mine tell me, "I can stop anyone I want, anytime I want. There are over 5000 laws I can enforce and everyone is breaking at least one of them at any given time."

Now that's sad folks....

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Chad Hargis
Nashville, TN
2008 Grand Cherokee CRD
2005 Liberty CRD *SOLD*

To make something clear: Justifying your illegal theft by bitching about the situation does not change any facts or make you morally in the right. If you want to complain about the system, then CHANGE IT! You live in a democracy, you do have a say. I spent years of my life bitching and moaning about government and my seeming powerlessness. Then in 2006 when I read about illegal wiretapping, torture and a government that seems to think civil rights are purely optional I stopped bitching and started acting.

It costs me 2 hours once a month to attend party meetings. It cost me a $1 filing fee to become a Precinct Committee Officer for my neighborhood. I have in the past two years written party platform documents, spoken to all of my elected officials, and influenced or outright changed state law. I recently discovered that the county portion of my gas tax was being diverted to criminal justice, I am right now in the process of raising hell, and YES I will get it changed. And it will change, its not even that difficult to do. WHat I did not do is say "F it" and go and steal from every other driver by refusing the pay the tax, after all the taxes are both federal and state, not just county, I instead have begun acting to hold them accountable and already it is now being discussed with our county officials.

My cost on this is two hours once a month. Plus the occasional party activity. I have gained instant access to my legislators, party platform control(I am actually on the resolutions committee this year) and a bit of time and thought.

The reason we rebelled against the British was not because of taxation. It was because of taxation *without representation*. The system we set up was designed to not allow that situation by being representative. However if no one bothers to take the time to talk to their representatives that system will not work. As one of my legislators put it to me(Zach Hudgens, 11th LD): "I will cancel any appointment with any lobbyist in order to spend the time with a constituent who bothers to actually come see me." You would be suprised at how many have that attitude, and how few people are willing at all to take advantage of it.

Or we can just take the easy way out and witch about the laws on internet forums and attempt to morally justify theft while pretending we have no recourse. And inevitably witch when someone gets caught about how unfair it all is.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD

For once I completely agree with you.

Stealing is stealing no matter what the reasons you have for doing it.

Get back on topic or this will get locked up tight as a drum of crude.

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2004 Renegade Light Khaki - 4" JBA Lift - Rock Lizard Products: Komodo Dragon Rear Bumper, Prototype Winch-mount Front Bumper, Super Skink Sliders - All J's Super Tranny Skid II - 31" Firestone Destination AT's on Moab wheels - Cobra 75W CB w/ stock Antenna mod

[b]Retired, US Military

The topic was already addressed. Lock away.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD

Right, the answer is yes, just don't get caught. Personally I prefer to take my chances with B100, costing me $1/gallon than some other untaxed fuel that saves only $0.25 a gallon and cruds up my intake in the process.

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'05 Liberty CRD B100, SEGR - SOLD

'01 Beetle TDi B100, EGR delete
'83 Mercedes 240D B100, no EGR

--- SEGR Builder ---

Thanks. So it's not going to harm the engine.

P.S.

"No Taxation without Representation" might have been the public cry, but representation in Parliament was the last thing the founding fathers actually wanted. The reality was the colonist paid a fraction of the taxes the subjects in England had to pay. If they actually got a seat in Parliament, they would never get anything through and their taxes would probably have increased significantly.

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2006 CRD http://www.UtahPowderCoatings.com/ http://www.gorecon.com/ I'm kind of a big deal.
RL rear bumper, ARB front bumper, Mile Marker winch, Power Tank, Skids by Mopar & Skid Row, RL Super Skink Sliders, 235/85R16 MTR, Air Flow Snorkel, DTT, 4.10 gears, Frankenlift II, Katskin leather, JL Audio stereo, Rosen video.

Certainly true, however the public was the one that supported them and that was the cry they rallied to. The result was the government that was set up to replace the colonial one was one designed to tie taxation directly too representation.

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2006 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD

Nope, but if it is not ULSD it might finish off your EGR-- if you have the original one (before they redesigned).

Soooooo. Did you get your question answered?

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- Burchie

I guess I did, tripped over a few soap boxes along the way though.

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2006 CRD http://www.UtahPowderCoatings.com/ http://www.gorecon.com/ I'm kind of a big deal.
RL rear bumper, ARB front bumper, Mile Marker winch, Power Tank, Skids by Mopar & Skid Row, RL Super Skink Sliders, 235/85R16 MTR, Air Flow Snorkel, DTT, 4.10 gears, Frankenlift II, Katskin leather, JL Audio stereo, Rosen video.

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http://www.Colorado4Wheel.com
"Its not about what you can DO with your Jeep, its about where you can GO with your Jeep."
Knowledgeable - But Caustic

No worries.

Let's put this one to bed. LOCKED

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- Burchie

Boy... I'm glad we aren't one of those boring forums.

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- Burchie