Escalade CRD

danoid · **Posted:** Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:43 pm

Almost forgot about this one...

So I'm filling up last Friday, (across from the Palace of Auburn Hills) and what should pull up to the other side of the pump? A Cadillac Escalade! It was, of course, an M-plate, with a velcro flap covering the fuel filler door. I snuk (spelling?) a peek and there were two holes there, I'm assuming the other one was for urine. I have no idea when it's meant for production, how much torque, fuel economy or cost. It sounded like a V8 and was rather quiet.

UFO · **Posted:** Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:36 pm

It's probably the only way they will be able to unload those things with gas priced the way it is.

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:42 pm

..."Sounded like a V8"

I wonder if GM is dumb enough to try the diesel-heads-on-a-gas-block idea again?

I'm sure they are, they have been dumb enough to continue to bet the farm on massive vehicles for years when the obviousness of the fuel problem was staring them in the face.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:44 pm

geordi wrote:

..."Sounded like a V8"

I wonder if GM is dumb enough to try the diesel-heads-on-a-gas-block idea again?

I'm sure they are, they have been dumb enough to continue to bet the farm on massive vehicles for years when the obviousness of the fuel problem was staring them in the face.

GM is testing a 4.2 V-6 Duramax diesel,that is what was most likely in it,oh and it's total GM,not made in Japan by Izusu or Isuzu designed.

jinstall · **Posted:** Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:16 pm

A year ago GM was 3.5TT in a Epsilon platform but is still has not made light.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

tjkj2002 wrote:

GM is testing a 4.2 V-6 Duramax diesel,that is what was most likely in it,oh and it's total GM,not made in Japan by Izusu or Isuzu designed.

Given GM's record on diesels, I'd rather have the Isuzu :roll:

The Caddy probably won't see production. Story on the radio this morning was GM preparing it's white collar work force (the managers) for a massive round of layoffs, followed by shutting down US assembly lines for large vehicles and speeding up the introduction of GM models from Europe to the US.

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:35 pm

About fuggin time on that then. There have been FAR too many middle managers in every industry for years. And anything that speeds the standardization of vehicle availability across the world is a good thing. I wouldn't mind a Holden, or some of the oil-burning Ford models that exist across the pond.

Or, how about the 5-cylinder Touareg TDI, hmm??? 7k lb tow rating both here AND there, with the engine here twice the size for NOT twice the benefit! I want one of those, but not in the V10 at $75k, thanks.

jinstall · **Posted:** Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:44 pm

GM-E is full of diesel motors.

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

Sad to say I'd rather take the Huyndai Santa FE CRD over the VW Touareg.

Huyndai's dealers have been better at problem resolution than the VW dealers around here.

Plus I dislike the design path VW has taken with the SUVs.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

I've found VW dealers and diesels are much like Chrysler dealers and our CRD's. Tech's with no training in TDI's, high turnover, low motivation. I've got a great local TDI specialty mechanic who has made our VW owning experience much more pleasant.

I'm sure the same is going to be true with all the new diesels. Can you imagine taking the new Accord diesel in for a warranty repair at your average Honda dealer?

maxxgraphix · **Joined:** Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:11 am **Posts:** 53

Threeweight wrote:

I've found VW dealers and diesels are much like Chrysler dealers and our CRD's. Tech's with no training in TDI's, high turnover, low motivation. I've got a great local TDI specialty mechanic who has made our VW owning experience much more pleasant.

I'm sure the same is going to be true with all the new diesels. Can you imagine taking the new Accord diesel in for a warranty repair at your average Honda dealer?

I think most techs are that way. I have trouble getting them just to do the repair that I've already diagnosed, listed the part numbers, explained the procedure.

No, I can't. Honda's only need basic maintenance. They don't break down until over 200K miles. I've seen a D15 Civic burn tires till they popped. Then after melting the rims they poured water in the engine crank case. The abuse continued for another 10 minutes at WOT. Still running they gave up trying to blow the motor.

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

maxxgraphix wrote:

No, I can't. Honda's only need basic maintenance. They don't break down until over 200K miles.

Would that include the 1998-2002 Accord V6 automatics, who's rate of transmission failure was so high that Honda voluntarily extended the warranty to 7 years or 100,000 miles, rather than tarnish the brand name with a recall?

My wife had a Honda Civic HX for 10 years... was a fantastic car, never had any issues, and got 30 mpg city, 40 highway. I like Honda's, but they ain't magic.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:26 am

kcfoxie wrote:

Sad to say I'd rather take the Huyndai Santa FE CRD over the VW Touareg.

Huyndai's dealers have been better at problem resolution than the VW dealers around here.

Plus I dislike the design path VW has taken with the SUVs.

Agreed. VW quality just doesn't compare to Jeep and VM. The hyundai with the VM would be a far better quality vehicle than a VW TDI.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:29 am

maxxgraphix wrote:

Honda's only need basic maintenance. They don't break down until over 200K miles.

Kinda like jeeps, rock solid reliable and cheap to work on.

gsbrockman · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:41 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

GM is testing a 4.2 V-6 Duramax diesel,that is what was most likely in it,oh and it's total GM,not made in Japan by Izusu or Isuzu designed.[/quote]

Actually, it's 4.5L in displacement.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/15/gm-a ... hummer-h2/

Greg

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:55 am

Sir Sam wrote:

kcfoxie wrote:

Sad to say I'd rather take the Huyndai Santa FE CRD over the VW Touareg.

Huyndai's dealers have been better at problem resolution than the VW dealers around here.

Plus I dislike the design path VW has taken with the SUVs.

Agreed. VW quality just doesn't compare to Jeep and VM. The hyundai with the VM would be a far better quality vehicle than a VW TDI.

Was that sarcasm by chance?

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

Sir Sam wrote:

kcfoxie wrote:

Sad to say I'd rather take the Huyndai Santa FE CRD over the VW Touareg.

Huyndai's dealers have been better at problem resolution than the VW dealers around here.

Plus I dislike the design path VW has taken with the SUVs.

Agreed. VW quality just doesn't compare to Jeep and VM. The hyundai with the VM would be a far better quality vehicle than a VW TDI.

Eh, now I don't know about all that. This car had a clutch failure (poor choice on VWoA's part, they will and are failing with stock setups and no chips around 50k miles and the clutch is being replaced under warranty...now...), and an airbag that was faulty. One I replaced with an upgraded part to handle the torque output I wanted (my car is chipped), the other was a dealer repair (it took 4 attemps).

I am more upset with the dealerships. I have been led to believe that the Hyundai dealers take care of their customers akin to Honda and Toyota dealers. I have never owned one, but those I know who do own them LOVE their dealerships and only go in for scheduled maintenances. That sounds rite nice compared to my VW dealer experiences.

I can't say that that the Jeep has been better quality than the VW. Actually, we only keep it for the VM engine. It took 4 or 5 trips to get the right satellite module installed. Yes, a drop in electronics module. Bad dealer, perhaps, but they're owned by the largest Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler dealer in the state and they refused to let us take the Jeep to another dealer after the 3rd failed attempt that blew out most of the fuses in the fuse panel.

By far, this Jeep has 45k miles my VW has 60k miles. The jeep is a full year+ older, and it's had a TC replaced, AC unit repaired, and a satellite radio module replaced three times now. The VW had a clutch failure (just as bad but cheaper to fix than the TC), and an airbag (actually cheaper than the cost of the Satellite radio module). At best I'd say they're par for par.

My last VW (02 gas Bug) went 110k miles, no CEL until 60k when the coolant temp sensor died on it (common fault), and no other major problems except my fat butt broke a seat bracket (reason I traded up for the TDI).

Uffe wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

kcfoxie wrote:

Sad to say I'd rather take the Huyndai Santa FE CRD over the VW Touareg.

Huyndai's dealers have been better at problem resolution than the VW dealers around here.

Plus I dislike the design path VW has taken with the SUVs.

Agreed. VW quality just doesn't compare to Jeep and VM. The hyundai with the VM would be a far better quality vehicle than a VW TDI.

Was that sarcasm by chance?

Yeah... I'm with you. I think that VW and Chrysler are on-par with their quality of both production and service. VW does far better engineering (Chrysler lost all hope with me on the pathetic fuel filter and lack of a lift pump, this is the same company with access to Cummins parts for God's sake), but they rank just as poorly on dealer service and part failures (like window regulators, tho I have never actually had that issue before with a VW, had it lots of times with FOrd and Mercedes-Benz).

I would love a change. Huyndai's are cheaper than VWs, which is why I'd be willing to put up with VW-like service at a Hyundai-price.

Uffe · **Posted:** Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:11 pm

kcfoxie wrote:

Yeah... I'm with you. I think that VW and Chrysler are on-par with their quality of both production and service. VW does far better engineering (Chrysler lost all hope with me on the pathetic fuel filter and lack of a lift pump, this is the same company with access to Cummins parts for God's sake), but they rank just as poorly on dealer service and part failures (like window regulators, tho I have never actually had that issue before with a VW, had it lots of times with FOrd and Mercedes-Benz).

I would love a change. Huyndai's are cheaper than VWs, which is why I'd be willing to put up with VW-like service at a Hyundai-price.

Hell I'd be happy if my 1.9TDI would make it to 300,000 miles without major engine problems. A shot clutch or turbo wouldn't be considered major by me.

So far it has done 100,000 miles and 20,000 miles ago it got a new turbo - could be dozens of causes of that. Dealer incompetence could be one, or driver forgetting to let it cool down after trips.

I've got my fingers crossed for reliability on the Skoda, at my current rate I will reach those 300,000 miles in 8 years, and the car would then be 15 years old, so it seems doubtful if I'm going to be successful. 3 more years and it's paid off, anything more than that and I'm all smiles.

kcfoxie · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:27 am **Posts:** 113

I've always wanted a Skoda.... I don't know why.

What code is your Engine and Turbo?

Some earlier turbos had issues state side, the turbo on the 90HP engine. The 100HP engines seemed to be solid tho.

But most TDI owners upgrade those anyway

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