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 Post subject: we are all for the same cause,extending the life of the KJ
PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 11:16 pm 
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I agree all diesels are different.I have owned VW (1.5,1.6 diesels turbo and none), a 1990 w350 cummins built to the hilt,several international OTR trucks(s1953,s1600), and one ford F-600.I currently own a ford excursion 7.3 vegistroked, my WVO crd and some VW diesel projects,all diesels have quirks,and that is what i am here to learn,this jeeps quirks.I see the pissing contest,but choose not to compete,this makes me a better man for doing so.I don't think everyone wants to see it as much they would like to help each other.Normally i would ask the man i bought this jeep from who designed my wvo system,but right now he is in iraq defending our freedom of speech as i type this.Lets use our speech to better mankind,not belittle our fellow kjers.With that said,here are my results,there is and was oil on the turbine side with evidence "baked on",there are no tube leaks and no engine damage from glowplug issue. I held that turbo in my hand and I can say it was well worn out.I think it was from the first 50,000 miles of life,when it was a "company" car,and most likely turbo damage was incurred at that time,from neglect.Second owner took well care of this car and knew it in and out,as well as converting it to WVO status(see yotube WVO liberty CRD),I believe the use of wvo "masked" the blue smoke issue as wvo smokes a little more upon combustion even though it pollutes less,but there was some minor smoke upon cold start since I bought it.Thank you for your input and i will keep everyone posted................guess i have to cowboy up,and roll with the punches.............peace to all kjers,and godspeed to everyone who have,and who are protecting our freedom........H

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KJ 119 wrote:
OK........................On a lighter note,before I ordered my Samco hoses,I went outside to check out my old hoses and they were loaded with oil.Immediately ordered a set from Turbowholesaler.Is it too late to do as geordi said with the ccv"more info please".
Or should I just go ahead and get a new engine on order :shock: :lol:


Depends whether or not you are a military mechanic. Seriously, if you don't want oil in the intake, do the EHM. It will stink outside the vehicle and make a lot of smoke and vapor at stoplights.

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H, you didn't get the one that was done by Golden Fuel Systems did you?

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KJ119, The Elephant Hose Mod is the fastest way to eliminate the problem, at the expense of what Cosmo noted - stinking at lights. If you don't want that, something like a ProVent needs to be in your future. Personally, I would like to figure out a way to connect the CCV outlet directly from a provent into the exhaust line somewhere so that the oil smell gets incinerated by the exhaust heat. Back pressure shouldn't be an issue, I don't have anything other than a Flowmaster down there anymore.

But that is for the future. First thing is to get the truck back, then get (or build) a provent and leave it venting to the atmosphere. Or... (evil thought here) Instead of putting the Provent outlet back into the CCV suction port on the intake...

What if it was venting its pressure into the airbox, BEFORE the air filter? The suction there is pretty low, but it is still at a negative pressure. The smell gets taken into the engine just as before, but the oil doesn't get inhaled b/c of the hoover-power of being close to the turbo!

Discuss, please. Could solving the problem be this simple?


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geordi wrote:
KJ119, The Elephant Hose Mod is the fastest way to eliminate the problem, at the expense of what Cosmo noted - stinking at lights. If you don't want that, something like a ProVent needs to be in your future. Personally, I would like to figure out a way to connect the CCV outlet directly from a provent into the exhaust line somewhere so that the oil smell gets incinerated by the exhaust heat. Back pressure shouldn't be an issue, I don't have anything other than a Flowmaster down there anymore.

But that is for the future. First thing is to get the truck back, then get (or build) a provent and leave it venting to the atmosphere. Or... (evil thought here) Instead of putting the Provent outlet back into the CCV suction port on the intake...

What if it was venting its pressure into the airbox, BEFORE the air filter? The suction there is pretty low, but it is still at a negative pressure. The smell gets taken into the engine just as before, but the oil doesn't get inhaled b/c of the hoover-power of being close to the turbo!

Discuss, please. Could solving the problem be this simple?


An oil saturated paper filter does not pas much air. Your MAF sensor will also be toast.

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 Post subject: no not gfs crd
PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 9:36 am 
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This was built as a project for alternative fuels,i believe @MIT,by my friend david who had served In Iraq.He was disgusted by what he saw In Iraq,so when he got back he started researching WVO and built a Mercedes or two and then discovered The crd.There are several one-off CNC pieces and techniques(hose in hose ,battery relocated under chassis,dual side by side fuel ports,and no WVO related indicators in cab)that are unique to this jeep.Over 100 hours of research and fabrication are in this CRD(Well documented on Youtube).His number came up and had to return to Iraq or Afgan provinces where his speciality training is required..................godspeed david..............H

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nursecosmo wrote:
geordi wrote:
KJ119, The Elephant Hose Mod is the fastest way to eliminate the problem, at the expense of what Cosmo noted - stinking at lights. If you don't want that, something like a ProVent needs to be in your future. Personally, I would like to figure out a way to connect the CCV outlet directly from a provent into the exhaust line somewhere so that the oil smell gets incinerated by the exhaust heat. Back pressure shouldn't be an issue, I don't have anything other than a Flowmaster down there anymore.

But that is for the future. First thing is to get the truck back, then get (or build) a provent and leave it venting to the atmosphere. Or... (evil thought here) Instead of putting the Provent outlet back into the CCV suction port on the intake...

What if it was venting its pressure into the airbox, BEFORE the air filter? The suction there is pretty low, but it is still at a negative pressure. The smell gets taken into the engine just as before, but the oil doesn't get inhaled b/c of the hoover-power of being close to the turbo!

Discuss, please. Could solving the problem be this simple?


An oil saturated paper filter does not pas much air. Your MAF sensor will also be toast.


I understand that possibility... So directly running the EHM to the airbox won't work. But what about this path for the stuff: CCV outlet -->>> Provent oil trap -->>> Now oil-free-gasses -->>> Intake box with low suction.

I'm trying to avoid venting b/c of the smell, but also not subject that stream to deep suction. The slower the CCV air moves, the less oil it can pass. So I would figure that the Provent would be LOTS more effective at scrubbing the mist out.


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Ughh! I'm so sorry VegIH. I just realized that I told you that endplay was ok in the turbo shaft. That is not altogether true. I used the wrong term when actually referring to radial play, or the side to side movement of the shaft. Some side to side play is allowable as long as the vanes do not contact the housing. End play, or the in and out movement of the shaft, has an allowable limit of only about .004 on most Garrett spinners.
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 Post subject: well the wife will have a NEW jeep after this
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:11 am 
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so lets see after this adventure we will pretty much be good for 100K............knock on wood.It may be good with chrysler is the outhouse now,so a new turbo,timing belt,headgasket,and glowplugs may be easier to get now, then in the uncertain future.I know I am rambling,just trying to get ready for that big bill........Any guesses?I hope this was not a planned failure of glowplug planned by DCM,I find it funny that they changed the glowplug compound of "ceramic" right after the last 2006 CRD came off the assembly line............well the good things are never cheap...........(guns,gold and silver,good scotch and diesel jeeps).H.......PS don't sweat it cosmo,if the core wasn't so much,I would have that turbo as a paper weight.

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 Post subject: update
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:30 am 
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Got a call from garage as I was getting ready togo get jeep,she was misfiring,yes a diesel misfiring.Come to find out some one didn't torque rockers correctly and she snapped rocker arms on cylinder #3.They are gonna pay for there mess up,but is there any thing else that should br checked (by Me),after such a failure?And does anyone know the proper procedure for tightening rockers on a 2.8? thanks all H.....................

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 Post subject: got crd back
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She came home today.1)4 new glow plugs,2)1 new turbo,3)new head gasket,4)new timing belt,5)clutch fan and bracket,6)fuel filter,7) new o-rings for injectors.Wallet is lighter but that lil thing has ALOT more get up and go matched with my segr,and edge trail jammer.A word to all those relating to WVO,39K on WVO and the injectors are still mint :D.I am glad to have all the big ticket items done,know time to turn wrenches on my 2000 Excursion 7.3.................

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Good for you! I'm still waiting for mine to be finished... Hopefully soon.


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IMO all my fellow (US) CRD owners problems are caused by the crap diesel and know very little mechanics.

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Luckily my diesel guy works on big rigs and lil rigs with 35 years experience.He has two london taxis with the 2.5 VM so he knew alot about engine even before he saw it.He also has a smart for2 with the diesel,very,very fast(he has dealer plates because not epa complaint in usa).After driving our crd with the goodies he wants one hopefully bring someone aboard over here...........

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Wait a sec... You can import and drive a car legally if you have dealer plates?

Is that all it takes? I've been eligible for those (probably should have gotten them a long time ago) for years in Florida!


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 Post subject: Don't know about FLA but NH yes
PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:50 pm 
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Yeah he went to montreal paid cash slapped plates on it and drove it back to NH.As far as anybody is cocerned dealerplates are so dealers don't have to register all cars on there lots.I drove that lil thing and it screams,and gets like 70+MPG.............H

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geordi wrote:
Wait a sec... You can import and drive a car legally if you have dealer plates?

Is that all it takes? I've been eligible for those (probably should have gotten them a long time ago) for years in Florida!
It's not legal at all.


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