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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:10 pm 
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If you temp guage is hovering at 1/4, there is no longer any doubt that the thermostat has failed open, and it will cost you on the mileage. I believe you can find the OE thermostat cheaper online, but it will be more expensive than the inline thermostat.

I personally would want the OE one rather than the inline, as the inline functions only by shutting off the circulation of water, making it possible to develop "hot spots" and temperature gradients across the block. The stock one circulates the water from the top of the block into the water pump intake and will spread the heat around the block and head. But a lot of people seem to go for the inline one anyway. YMMV.


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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:28 pm 
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There are only two "tricks" that should help at all: (1) make sure you have a working thermostat and (2) NEVER take a trip shorter than 30 minutes at highway speed.

If your engine does not warm up such that the temp guage is right at the first tick left of dead center within a few miles at highway speed, regardless of whether your block off the radiator, then your thermostat has died -- they are designed to fail OPEN.

Further, until the engine is fully warmed up, the viscous fluid heater is working (and sucking up fuel like a sponge) to warm the engine. Short trips will have it working ALL the time, and your mileage will drop like a rock. If the thermostat is not up to snuff, you wind up with the viscous heater working ALL the time, and that will really kill your mileage.

I've now put 145,000 miles on my 2005 CRD. Here in Virginia, overnight lows sometimes drop as low as -10˚F, but usually are in the low 20s. I have had occasion to drive it at -10, and have NEVER blocked off the radiator. Since my driveway empties onto US 460, I have about 5 miles at highway speeds before hitting any slowdowns, and my engine is easily fully warmed up within that 5 miles. Since it will not warm up at idle, if you have only city street speeds, it will take you longer to warm up under those conditions.

Winter diesel fuel is about 10% less energetic, so you will get 10% lower mileage in winter than summer, and there is nothing you can do about that. I've been getting about 24 mpg overall, and about 29 on road trips where the entire tank is AFTER it is fully warm. This compares to about 26 overall and about 34 on summer diesel.


You know, I thought about what I said after I wrote it, and realized my Ram/Cummins with a low-temp T-stat was never this cold natured without a winter front. I'm doing OK with fuel economy after GDE-izing my ECU/TCM together, but it's not that darn cold out to do this, it had to be the tstat failed open. Not overly concerned with cost, as I know my dealer maint guy, go to church with him even.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:35 pm 
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Haha so my first morning with the temperature in the teens and my Libby fire up for about 5 seconds and died. I tried to get it started for awhile and it never started. I didn't have it plugged in, didn't think it was that necessary. Lol any clues would be helpful?


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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:20 pm 
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Haha so my first morning with the temperature in the teens and my Libby fire up for about 5 seconds and died. I tried to get it started for awhile and it never started. I didn't have it plugged in, didn't think it was that necessary. Lol any clues would be helpful?


1) Plug it in. 2) Find a product called "Meltdown" by a company called FPPF. 3) Unscrew the fuel filter, you may first want to remove the fuel filter head from it's mount so as to get to the water sensor at the bottom of the filter. 4)Pour out what fuel you can, pour the Meltdown into the fuel filter until it's full. 5) Re-install fuel filter assembly. 6) Pour several ounces of Meltdown into the fuel tank-however much the label indicates based on the amount of fuel you have in the tank. 7) Wait about four hours for the block heater to do it's thing. 8) Crank it.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:40 pm 
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Slightly more basic. Running for like 5 seconds and dieing with no restart sounds like the classic symptom of air in the fuel filter head. Try bleeding the fuel head, see video how to in Sam's NOOB guide. There is a good chance that will fix your problem. If it does then the next question is do you have the 1st gen fuel head (see same video), if so consider upgrading to the 2 gen fuel filter head (be sure to get the required wiring pigtail) for ca. $125 but it comes with a new fuel filter and WIF sensor installed. That last brings up how long has it been since you changed your fuel filter?

If you are running the original red top battery best be looking for a new battery too as winter is hard on batteries and modern vehicle electronics really hate low battery voltage.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:20 pm 
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littlebiggin wrote:
Haha so my first morning with the temperature in the teens and my Libby fire up for about 5 seconds and died. I tried to get it started for awhile and it never started. I didn't have it plugged in, didn't think it was that necessary. Lol any clues would be helpful?


I had this happen to me when it first got cold in the fall, the fuel filter appeared to be really old. I heated the filter with a hair dryer for 5 min or so, it started and ran fine then. I had it happen one more time before I was able to get a new filter, same cure, then since installing new filter has never happened again.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:25 am 
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Well I changed the fuel filter and filled it with diesel kleen. Had the block heater plugged up for a few hours and hooked a battery charger up to refresh it from earlier today and it finally started right up. So I have no clue what the fix was but I'm elated she runs :). Typically I keep it in the garage but I'm staying at my parents over the weekend so I think I'll keep it plugged up to be on the safe side. Thanks for all the help guys!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:50 pm 
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littlebiggin wrote:
Haha so my first morning with the temperature in the teens and my Libby fire up for about 5 seconds and died. I tried to get it started for awhile and it never started. I didn't have it plugged in, didn't think it was that necessary. Lol any clues would be helpful?






Mine did the same, but it wouldn't start because the battery was dead. Needs 12 volts to turn on ECU to RUN, it will still turn over just fine. It would work after warming up the battery (trickle charge) but anything under 40 degrees lowered my bat voltage, I think it was 11.8 when I bought a new one.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:14 pm 
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Tell Congress to repeal the Laws of Physics.
Once the Laws of Physics are off the books, winter will no longer effect your fuel economy. :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:48 pm 
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littlebiggin wrote:
Also tire pressure is 40 should i lower?
No, the higher the pressure the better your mileage will be, if you can tolerate the rougher ride. Inflating to the sidewall maximum will give the best mileage and load capacity; radial tires do not bulge in the tread and will not appreciably wear in the centers with higher inflation.

I use a 215/85/16 tire inflated to 45 psi. It's harsh, but they are wearing well after 2 rotations and 40k miles. Of course the sidewall max is upwards of 100psi, FWIW.

The nasty old OEM Goodyears probably do bulge the centers with maximum inflation, but those should be placed into the landfill at your earliest opportunity.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:12 pm 
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Lurch,

Any chance that the catalytic convertor is clogged? How does it run? Seem sluggish? Could be something there. If you do remove the convertor and swap in a test pipe (wink, wink) hang on to the convertor for re-sell time.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:15 pm 
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Also tire pressure is 40 should i lower?
No, the higher the pressure the better your mileage will be, if you can tolerate the rougher ride. Inflating to the sidewall maximum will give the best mileage and load capacity; radial tires do not bulge in the tread and will not appreciably wear in the centers with higher inflation.

I use a 215/85/16 tire inflated to 45 psi. It's harsh, but they are wearing well after 2 rotations and 40k miles. Of course the sidewall max is upwards of 100psi, FWIW.

The nasty old OEM Goodyears probably do bulge the centers with maximum inflation, but those should be placed into the landfill at your earliest opportunity.


Reducing the contact patch on your tires may be a good way to reduce rolling resistance. It also may make it unsafe in certain situations, namely foul weather and cornering. I prefer to do things that make appreciable difference in mileage, like GDE ECO program and economy TCM. Gained 4+ MPG.

Waiting to see what kind of gains I see after putting the new T-stat (OEM) on it. Certainly fixed the heat problem. With that, it SHOULD get better FE due to being warmer in cold weather, both due to better fuel atomization and oil viscosity. NEVER put a low temp T-stat in a diesel engine in cold weather. Defeats the purpose, LOL. Hope to gain at least 1 MPG, then when it warms up and we get straight DF2, maybe I can hit 30 MPG. Also may have had some parasitics in the alternator that had bearing failure after 78k miles. If I had time, I would have had it repaired, but a new one was $500+ (ouch). The dealer will rape you relative to a small shop, but I have a good relationship with mine's service department, and they seem to do well fixing stuff, plus they're straight up.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
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A new alternator was over $500???

I've seen mpg gains on various vehicles just by airing up from 33-34# to 37-38#. I think 40 is pushing it a bit, I agree with you that other safety factors start to weigh in, wet weather traction is anther thing that suffers at higher psi.

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Yep list is a bit over $500 and online they run a bit under $400 but then the days of an acceptable replacement alternator for $30 and a really good one for $45 are decades in the past. Last alternator I paid list for wasn't on the CRD but I still almost went into shock at $275 and that was 10-15 years ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Tricks for better winter fuel mileage
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Things I have done to imcrease mileage:
1)I run my tires at 40psi in all my cars, and never had any problem with uneven wear.
2)Inline thermostat
3)Cardboard blocking my grill
4)GDE eco tune
5)Pre F37 TCM
6)fold in mirrors on long trips
7)Keep RPMs below 2k when possible
8)Coast to a stop when possible
9)Drive at 50MPH in a 45 to allow tq conv lockup, same at 57MPH in a 55

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The GDE TCM would help you lockup at lower speeds and boost mileage. Not sure I'm onboard with folding mirrors on long trips, I use my mirrors all the time on the highway.

I can't keep it below 2000 rpm, pretty much any time I'm on a 65 mph highway I'll drive 73-74 mph, that's around 2,300 rpm. Even so, I get 28-29 mpg on long highway trips.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:53 pm 
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The GDE TCM would help you lockup at lower speeds and boost mileage. Not sure I'm onboard with folding mirrors on long trips, I use my mirrors all the time on the highway.

I can't keep it below 2000 rpm, pretty much any time I'm on a 65 mph highway I'll drive 73-74 mph, that's around 2,300 rpm. Even so, I get 28-29 mpg on long highway trips.


Most of my driving is at 70, which is just a hair over 2k. I came very close to getting a GDE TCM but since 90% of my driving is highway, I started upgrading the audio.

Wind noise is a lot better with the mirrors in, it takes a while getting used to it. But I never trust them anyways and turn my head and look.

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The GDE TCM would help you lockup at lower speeds and boost mileage. Not sure I'm onboard with folding mirrors on long trips, I use my mirrors all the time on the highway.

I can't keep it below 2000 rpm, pretty much any time I'm on a 65 mph highway I'll drive 73-74 mph, that's around 2,300 rpm. Even so, I get 28-29 mpg on long highway trips.


Most of my driving is at 70, which is just a hair over 2k. I came very close to getting a GDE TCM but since 90% of my driving is highway, I started upgrading the audio.

Wind noise is a lot better with the mirrors in, it takes a while getting used to it. But I never trust them anyways and turn my head and look.


Unless your windows are blocked, seeing out of a KJ is pretty easy. Having said that, I'm not a hypermiler, but I can't wait until warmer weather for better fuel and heat. I'm only getting 24 after GDE ECU/TCM. Got some parasitic losses in the driveline somewhere. Ideas?

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Well I just got my CRD and was excited to see what my mileage would be. So far in town I'm only getting like 18.5mpg. And when I say in town I mean driving like 8 miles to work or 15 miles to the nearest Walmart.



Yeah, that's about what I get driving around here in Los Angeles. I drive 10 miles each way to work, takes me about 30 minutes. The first 10 minutes is on the freeway then the rest is stop and go at about 35-40 mph on surface streets.

This truck responds really well to using a light foot to increase mpg's.

With my GDE Eco Tune, in cruise control, I can get 33mpg on the EVIC at 55-60 mph.

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