IIRC, a check will show that he has a long history of tire blowouts? I might be confusing him with a borg clone, but I think he had like three blow outs on three different cars in a row if you believe an older post.

Will, if experience is the teacher, you may be hearing from the right guy if you want to know how to have a blow out....

I have been fortunate. I average about 40K miles/year in various rides & have not had the misfortune to have had a blow out in a few decades of driving. Must be that my tire pressures are wrong?

Can you post up some hard-core muddin' pics so we can see those tires in action?

EDIT: I was correct. We are in the presence of a person with an extreme amount of blow-out experience:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ht=#252638

Now, add these to some more blow-outs he claims in this post:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=32402

And I would say we have a bona fide expert.

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But these blowouts should have been/could have been prevented since he was driving on 10+ year old tires,tires that old are ticking time bombs,they will fail just when is the question.

I've never had a blow either in my 18 years and 40+ vehicles of driving,it's all how you drive,conditions,and quaility of the tires used and PROPER psi.I've driven 1500miles with 22psi in my 265/75 MT/R's before,tires never got that hot,no hotter then when at 40psi.Also have driven about 500 miles with 80psi in a set of Firestone Steelex tires(235/85,"E")on a F250 SD and the centers where gone from to much psi,and the list goes on and on,just make sure you have at least the OEM recommended PSI in and then you can sue the tire company.

If towing capacity took breaking into account, then why have a recommendation for trailer brakes at all? The heavier the trailer, the more the need for trailer brakes.

For the record: The KJ had what felt like the same stopping distance with that hydraulic-braked trailer as it does by itself. The trailer could EASILY have enough stopping force to stop the entire system, if I had used a brake controller and it's electric brakes. (It had the option for both electric or automatic control)

I am not sure if I should comment or just let this run its course but me being me I have to laugh at some of this ....
someone should really read up on some good information instead of just blowing out tires, sorry but running too high is as bad as too low!!!

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So let me get this straight, geordi...you not only pulled a trailer that's at LEAST 2,000 pounds past the capacity of the KJ (a 7,000 pound trailer with a short wheelbase Jeep? seriously?), you ALSO did it without the proper trailering equipement?

If I ever EVER see you on the road near me....don't be surprised to see me BLOW past you as fast as possible...because it's JUST NOT SAFE to be behind you.

Or beside him, or near him....


I would still like to see those T/A's performing in some serious mud.

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Yes, because that thar is a hardcore off road tar!

what is it with you people from Ohio anyways....
oh never mind I just looked where I was sleeping tonight

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Hey, I am not saying that they do not perform as he claims. But in this, I am taking a clue from our Missouri brethern in saying "show me."

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And I would be happy to. I am in Savannah right now, and will be spending the summer in New Hampshire. Anyone is welcome to contact me, and come drive my Jeep around for a comparison. I welcome it. Let the biggest skeptic put their money where their mouth is.

A couple replies, and I'm outta here.

Short wheelbase again? Please go review the picture on page three of this thread. That is my KJ, with the generator behind it. The KJ is obviously not overloaded on tongue weight, and the trailer is in fact SHORTER than the wheelbase of the Jeep. Also, show me a single Freightliner or any other class 8 that has a longer wheelbase than the 53' box on it's tail. Or better yet, how about the class 8 portable parking lot trailers that are bumper-mounted rather than a 5th wheel style? The car trailer is much longer than the tractor.

Please also note in that picture that the tongue of the trailer is not a one-piece design, it has a giant brake controller mounted on top of the trailer frame. I said I did not have an electronic brake controller, I did NOT say that the trailer had no brakes. I'll type this slower this time: The trailer was set up for BOTH an electronic controller in the tractor (via a 7-round connector) OR "automatic" pressure control via the tongue pressure sensor system. Boat trailers have this automatic system as a hydraulic system, called a surge brake. I believe this activated the electric brakes, or the trailer had both electric AND hydraulic brake systems. I don't remember exactly, only that it DID have and USE it's brakes, and did not significantly increase my stopping distance.

Tire blowouts: I am going to lay this one out. The tire failures on my RV were caused by the following, pure and simple: Tire age, and a less-than-full-understanding AT THAT TIME of the realities of tire aging on motorhomes. The front wheel peel-off (not a blowout or even loss of air) was on a tire we got when we bought the RV. This was the first RV for my family, so knowledge was limited about motorhomes. I don't know how old that tire was, but the RV was bought used from Cruise America. A rental company. Who knows how they treated the RV before they sold it. At the time of that repair, nobody told us about tire age problems, and we just thought it was "one of those things" and moved on. Summer of 2006: The RV had been in covered storage in Las Vegas for 3 months. I DID NOT KNOW HOW OLD THE TIRES WERE when I picked it up to bring back to Florida. If I had, they probably would not have left Nevada. Certainly, I would have taken care of it. Even when the first one let go, it again seemed like "one of those things" because I still had not been informed about tire age. After the second one let go, I suspected something, and decided to finish the replacements. The tire shop in Lafayette, La where I replaced the final two (the outside ones) finally told me about the age, and pointed out the date codes from 1995. Now I know, and that won't happen again.

The ONLY other tire failures I have ever had were bubbles that formed, and since 6 different tires on 2 cars ALL bubbled within a few months of each other, and ALL those 8 tires on those 2 cars were bought at the same shop at the same time... That isn't user error, no matter how you try to blame me or my family. That is a manufacturing defect, pure and simple.

Have any others let go? Nope. Have any others worn unevenly by being run at full sidewall pressure and not a bit more? (within the manufacturer's spec so they are not "overpressured" as some have suggested) Nope again. Have tires worn down faster or slower than expected, while at full sidewall pressure? Both, actually. Michelin, considerably faster melt-away, Falken, considerably slower on rear wheels of a FWD car. The faster wear may have been due to the extreme heat in Florida, I don't know. I wasn't driving any differently Have any at full pressure affected my stopping distances? Not really. I have avoided hitting people that have randomly pulled out from side streets just fine (happens a lot in South Florida) and had no problems at all stopping fast after Bambi committed suicide on the front end of my Lincoln. No chance to even react and avoid that one, the dang deer jumped out about 5 feet in front of me and I never saw it until it was in the road. But I stopped the car extremely fast from about 60mph.

I have also done experimental panic stops in the KJ to see how it handles (a good idea in any car to prepare for when you NEED that info) and have not noticed any extended distances or adverse handling anywhere except off-road. But I wouldn't be doing over 30mph off road anyway so no big deal.

But the invitation is there: Come drive my car. Prove me wrong or prove me right, either way.

Those bubbles of which you spoke are called IMPACT BULGES for a reason. You hit a curb, your belts in your sidewall break, and a bubble forms in the sidewall. I don't see how that ISN'T user error. Also, just because the WHEELBASE OF THE TRAILER isn't longer than the WHEELBASE OF THE JEEP doesn't mean that the WHEELBASE OF THE JEEP is SAFE to be trailering that kind of load.

Melt-away? is this even a technical tire term? are you trying to insult our intelligence? If so, you're failing. MISERABLY.

That KJ's rear flares are almost even with the tops of the rear tires in the trailer picture. if that Jeep isn't overloaded, then neither is my girlfriend's bed after we dine at chipotle.

Do you even KNOW what uneven wear is? Seriously, dude, you don't even know enough to know you don't know! Here's a tip...when the CENTERS of your tires are worn to the belts, but your shoulders still have 8/32" of tread on them...THAT'S NOT EVEN WEAR.

Rules about insulting induviduals be damned. YOU ARE STUPID.

PS- Bambi was a 14 point buck. He began as a fawn, just as all other deer. Do you even know what 14 point means?

This is getting exciting

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Hey, maybe you can swin over this way & some KJ's can all hit Badlands or something?
Go down to the midwest section & look at the badlands pics from about a month ago. Dat's some mud.

As to blow-outs: When numerous events happen to the same person, it is almost always the common denominator at fault. In this case, Geordi.

Please do not post about superior knowledge & equipment & then try to play the " i was tupid then but now I am a genuis" card when your own post undermine your credibilty.

So, why do I even consider this important? Because some guy gains him a bit o' supposed book learning and comes on preaching about his unproven learnin'. I don't want someone reading your stuff without also having a disclaimer about what your theories cause & your own published history. Maybe the next blowout I or one of us others save someone from could have had a worse result than throwing crap on the highway. I'd do the same thing if you were claiming that disconnecting your rear brakes saves gas mileage or some other crap cooked up from your usual throng. Stay playing amongst yourselves where you are preaching to your own chiors and so many will not have to waste their time disclaiming your "information."

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When 6 different tires on 2 different cars all bubble WITHOUT HITTING ANYTHING, its not an "impact bulge" as you call it. I realize I haven't mentioned this, but for the two of you who have decided to be the illogical protectors of the world: I wasn't even driving either of those two cars, one was my grandfather's car, the other was my mother's car. I was 14 at the time, this happened more than 10 years ago. But I guess they must have been drag racing over potholes, right? I'm sure thats what you will suggest. (this is sarcasm, since you probably misunderstood that too)



I wasn't trying for a technical term, I was trying to describe what the Michelin high-mileage tire did: lasted not half of it's mileage life, and had the same depth reading all across the tread when the guy at costco measured it: 3/32 left after only about 30k miles, on an 80k mile rated tire. To me, that tire was melting away. Find me a technical term for that, and I'll use it.



Thanks for the unpleasant visual, but you must be looking at the wrong image. The flare and the top of the wheelwell was nowhere near the top of the rear tire. The actual deflection of the suspension when the trailer weight was added was only about an inch. Turn up the brightness on your monitor and look again.



Wow, that was profound... Thank you, oh sage one. I'll go and look again at all my tire measurements and see that since there isn't any variation across the tread, I must have a defective gauge since it reads evenly. Someone on the internet told me my tires are wearing unevenly, of course they are correct and I can't see it. (OOPS, there's that sarcasm again)



Right back at ya there chief. Just for the record, you started the attacks here, not me.



I do know, and what exactly does that have to do with anything? Does it change anything about the situation if I instead said that "A mid-florida female representative of the deer species, approximately 200 lbs in size, maybe 3 years old, with brown eyes, brown coat, and hooves" jumped in front of my car?

Normal people tend to refer to individual members of the deer population as "Bambi" because that was what Bambi was. Does it mean anything? Obviously only to the anal retentive, or people looking to start fights on the internet. I neither know or care which one of those you are.

For anyone that finds this post in the future, feel free to contact me and ask how these tires (or any others) are wearing. I have no reason to lie or stretch the truth, so I won't. I will only be honest about my own experiences. For the two people who take delight in attacks and spouting their own knowledge about how I must be so unsafe, whatever. You are talking to yourselves, I'm out. Arguing on the internet is pointless, and I will not be drawn in by your attempts at namecalling.

Ok, which should we believe?

"You want to know my personal tire failure stories? There are a bunch.

83 Lincoln Town Car. Michelin tire peels off at highway speed, still had half it's tread left. 5 more Michelins on 3 other cars in my family ALL fail with bubbles within the next 3 months.

RV #1: Front wheel peel-off, 110psi tire was at 70psi. Thankfully, no failure of the air containment, just a tread separation.
RV #1: Cross country trip, 110 psi tires at twice their age limit, 2 catastrophic failures, I sacrificed the other two (all on rear axle) and replaced them. They failed due to excessive road heat (100+ degree ambient temps August 2006)

1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Peel off and complete sidewall demolition at highway speed. Tire had slow leak, and was probably at around 25psi out of a 44 max. Overheated and destroyed."

What horrible experience with a brand with a decent reputaion: multiple blows outs and, seeings as you neglected to mention it in the original thread, you have to add a "melting away" issue. Hmmm. What horrible luck.

I'll say it again: You are doing something drastically wrong to have had so many problems, or you are lying for whatever reason. Either way, you are a proven danger to others. Exceeding the max. recommended tow rating of a vehicle by nearly 50% ( greater if you do not have the factory tow package) is not safe, period. Do people do it? Yes. But that doesn't make it safe. And you have bizarre theories on tires, suffer a horrendous number of tire failures ( even if they are just the ones you are admiting to,) ignore your own experiences in favor of some BS you pull out of your, well, somewhere, and you want people to come to you for advice?

To anyone reading this thread needing information:

Run, do not walk, away from this person.

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due to this getting into a somewhat BASH session & already one complaint from a very active member, this thread will be locked

please resume your bickering with one another thru PM...THANKS

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