Following your logic it would be safe to assume that the chemicals I use here at work that are labled" This product contains a chemical known to the state of California to cause cancer" are safe for me to use because I live in Wisconsin?

What is the problem?
This is just another government agency to make up numbers to be able to make this a better world that they control. There are thousands and thousands of them, all working to gain control to make this a better place to live.
Bureaucracies crave control, when they have control the society collapses. Been this way since Egyptian, Greek, Central American civilizations, well, since we have evidence.
This USA is just entering the collapse, so hey, enjoy it, we have a long way to go down, it is going to be fun.
Don't worry, be happy, go to the Pot dispensary and maybe they will have Soma in by now. It is a Brave New World.

The fact is the CRD pollutes more than your average car. No matter what state you live in.
I'm done with this thread. A pm enlightened me. Made me see red.

Did I tell you that you should be ashamed of driving a CRD in Wisconsin because it pollutes more than an average car? Did I tell you that Wisconsin should adopt CARB standards? Why are you, a non-resident, trying to tell Californians how to regulate their air pollution?

Does anyone else hear an impotent buzzing noise from forest land?

That is like saying, Why should I care if the Drug Cartels Run Mexico.
Because they are jerks who abuse power, just like CARB has done.
Criminal activity across a border effects what will happen in my area or where I travel.
Hint Gang Bangers Speak Spanish and have connections to Mexican Drug Cartels and cause problems.
CARB has connections to other states who adopt their regulations and the EPA, get rid of the Criminals in CARB and the mess will be cleaned up.
As far as CRD pollution lets site NOX. Assuming the table I posted from the EPA in a previous post is not corrupted by CARB's tainted DATA, Agricultural Soil Management (food production) produces more NOX than all mobile equipment including Diesels by 6.9 times. To put it into perspective the Grass in Silicone Valley puts out more NOX than the Diesel trucks, cars and the Prius Hybrids combined. Assuming all the adds for duct cleaning have some shade of truth, Indoor Air Pollution is worse than out door air pollution (they claim 100 times), my sinuses, are in agreement with their findings. CARB has committed criminal acts by falsify and exaggerating DATA, water treatment operators and engineers would be facing criminal prosecution and civil liability for falsifying or exaggerating DATA, and those in CARB who did wrong should face the same. Government agencies and officials should not be above the law. When some one looks the other way because of mutual political agenda or party affiliation they are no better than those who committed the crime. As far as I an concerned, anyone who defends the CARB criminals is no better than they are.
For anyone who wants to drag up the BP oil incident, the Bean Counters who cut safety protocols that resulted in the explosion, deaths, and spill should face prosecution, prison, and then rot in Hell.
If you want to drag up Katrina, I attribute that problem to Stupid Arrogant Civil Engineering by building a City that far below sea level and so close to the ocean. Sir Isac Newton rolled over in his grave over that stunt.

You local water, sewage, roads, police, and fire departments are staffed by bureaucrats who want to control you. Refuse to pay taxes before it's too late. And that education you received at public expense, demand to reimburse the taxpayers.

The largest bureaucracy of course is the Department of Defense. With its 1000 overseas bases and their 234 golf courses, it IS out of control. It is never lumped in with those evil ones like Social Security, Education, and Health, though.

PS: If you care about Mexico's drug cartels, demand an end to the 'war on drugs':http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0RgSufSKU

Dude,
I went to private school, homeschooled our children. I own my septic, drilled my well and pay for many people who do not work. I pay huge state taxes. Maine is #1 in welfare and #49 in job opportunities. The state is run by Democrats that adopted CARB rules. We have no police department and have volunteer fire dept in this town. Most of our property taxes pay for teachers but the kids cannot read, go figure. Tell me I need more government? I need good DIESEL, not liberals telling me how to live.

In case anyone hasn't figured out where you are coming from, your quote above should let them know with no doubt what and who you are. From what you write you lead me to believe that you are as far to the Left as the Taliban is to the Right.
Have a NICE DAY smoking, injecting, snorting, doing, or ingesting by other means what ever brings you to the point of extacy you seek.
I will stick with my Wife, my family, my friends, my work, my CRD, and my other hobbies including my machine tools and gun collection. When I buy a drink for an active duty solder on a Southwest flight, I will be thinking of you and people like you. When I donate to Disabled Veterans who have given service to this country so you can express your self, I will be thinking of you and people like you. When I serve on a jury for a trial of a criminal, I will be thinking of you and people like you.
You have made an impression on many of us, including me.
Again,HAVE A NICE DAY!!

A "new" logic model has been uncovered on this board. Knowledge gained thus far:

Chapter 1 New Logic Exposed [cliff notes]
: Specifically stated, your democratically elected legislature adopts CARB's rules yet CARB has no impact on your state.

So you think that YOU should be setting the regulations instead of your legislature? It's CARB's fault because your legislature adopted their standards? That's backasswards logic.


: When you're a proud citizen of the "Death with Dignity Act" State http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/pas/index.shtml you're to accuse right-wingers of putting people down when ill. In times past, so-called right wingers only wanted this when a person was convicted of a heinous crime, usually with additional aggrivating circumstance. It was the so-called left wingers that wanted the right to die when they wanted and the right to kill if they carried it. To some, saving the planet via population extermination was OK (they never went first). According to this post, the rules have miraculously changed.

The point was that even rugged individualists may become dependent on the society which they reject.


: Point out problems with CARB, your lack of legal residency in California is pointed out. However, living in another state and defending CARB? Well, that's just peachy.

The inciters here were not 'pointing out problems'. They were alleging fraud and calling for jail without being able to define the specifics of the alleged crime or the perpetrators.
I'm defending the right of the citizens of a state to determine their own air pollution standards, and condemning the right-wing chorus of out of state ditto heads who want to impose their personal whims on those citizens.

:If you persist with CARB's failures, you are to be an "expert witness."
Warp seems to think that he knows more than the CARB scientists or the legislators who authorized and fund CARB.

: Rugged individualist? Not so fast, you had nothing to do with the Revolutionary Way, Civil War, Meat Packer Riots, WWI and most likely WW2. If you think you are self-sufficient, it means that you have not paid enough to others while they sit on their rears. You have no "fair share." Your fair share is redistributed as "the people's" share.

No, I wasn't involved in any of those wars or riots.

If you ignore someone because you realize they are more comfortable at a G8 anarchists rally than in a board room, you did so to the detriment of your manhood. Likewise, you are also chronically distracted. Somehow, when losing one's manhood, you are not to be distracted. Interesting. "Focused like a lazer beam?" Maybe. The reason for "Hanging Chad?" Likely.

Draw me a diagram.

boilermaker2

The video probably exceeded your attention span. Try watching it in one minute segments alternating with Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck rants.

I must apologize to the nice people on this website. You have a great site and you try to help anyone that has a motori that comes here with questions.

I am afraid people like wobbly are my fault

I have been a diesel hot rodder for many years. In my younger years I thought it was great fun to smoke people out whenever possible. As I learned more I began to understand that that smoke was actually wasted power and while it is funny (to me and my inner children) it is a waste of fuel and it does load up your oil. So this type of thing happens infrequently now. Normally I save it for tailgaters and for the really smug prius drivers.... I fear that this is the case now.

I do remember a prius with Oregon tags...driven by a prissy little man who was obviously better than everyone else around him... I know my truck is old and loud but it too has feelings and does not like to be sneered at by prius drivers.

So most of you can imagine what happened. He had his window down (no ac for this guy) so it was a simple thing to get beside him since he was driving slower that the rest of the traffic...I'm sure most of you know the type

So eventually I caught a light just right.. the rest was pure poetry...I stuffed it in 3rd to keep the boost down as long as possible, dropped the clutch and let her buck... before he disappeared I saw him waving his little hands around trying to clear the smoke that filled his car... my truck tells me that the prius was laughing so hard that it stalled...anyway once the turbo lit we were gone and I had not thought about it until I read this thread.

I understand if the moderators ban me for this ...It is probably what I deserve and I am truly sorry for inflicting this person on you, I am not however sorry for what I did.


wobbles; why don't you follow me over to the tdr or diesel bombers or duramaxdiesels or compd we actually enjoy your kind over there. There are a lot of guys there that are named bubba, jed, joebob and so on... some of them have most of their teeth. Now that the generator at the trailer park is fixed we usually have power most of the time. With the economy being what it is most of us cannot afford to race as much as we like so hammering epa trolls fills in the slow times.

By the way as long as the government keeps hiring people such as yourself I don't think the rest of us has much to worry about. Oh and about the personal exemption that I have from epa/carb if you would like to see it I keep it on my middle finger.

kind regards
jim

I will stick with my Wife, my family, my friends, my work, my CRD, and my other hobbies including my machine tools and gun collection.